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Old 03-22-18, 09:33 AM
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Unknown 1981 +/- Italian Frameset

So I picked up this unknown bike from a flipper in Orlando. Came with mostly Campy parts, Record wheels, etc.


Hoping for some ID help on this one.



Happens to be my size, and has some interesting features, also has rust (not too bad).

Pump peg, cable guides above BB shell, Campy drop outs (rear), rack braze ons, windowed lugs, 27.2mm seat post size, two sets of bottle cage mounts. Odd Tange 1F fork, maybe that is not original. Bits of a serial number on the BB shell, not enough to ID it. Italian threaded BB.


[IMG]1981 Italian Bike by wrk101, on Flickr[/IMG]


[IMG]1981 Italian Bike by wrk101, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]1981 Italian Bike by wrk101, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]1981 Italian Bike by wrk101, on Flickr[/IMG]
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Old 03-22-18, 09:36 AM
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Rear brake cable guides on the underside of the top tube, at an angle

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Why 1981? With the pump peg and the double bottle holders, I'd guess more like 1984-5.

Edited: Of course, with the repaint, those could have been added.
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Looks like nice and pretty distinctive lugwork. Somebody should be able to ID it from that.
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Rear axle spacing ? Weight ?
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Maybe an image of the bottom of the BB shell? Italian thread?
Although the unengraved fork crown and seat stay's caps, as well as luggage rack carrier eyes on the seat stays are not much good.

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It could have been retapped to Italian.
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Weren't there a lot of low-production chromo tour bike frame builders back in the 70s and 80s whose production would have been largely indistinguishable from the name brand builders...?
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It gives me the impression of a repaint so it could be hiding added work. Looks nice. Maybe a Italvega...?
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@wrk101 - Width of BB? Any spirals in ST? Pins is lugs?
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1981 is based on date in fork which may not be original.
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BB shell.

[IMG]1981 Italian Bike by wrk101, on Flickr[/IMG]


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Rear spacing 126mm. Hubs are dated 1973 as was non drive crank arm.
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Originally Posted by CO_Hoya View Post
Why 1981? With the pump peg and the double bottle holders, I'd guess more like 1984-5.

Edited: Of course, with the repaint, those could have been added.
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Yes, certainly.

Due to respray we must ignore braze-ons for identification or dating purposes.

Feature cut of lugset looks like Prugnat 62 but cannot recall seeing a 62 pattern with this nozzle cut.

Not many Italian frames constructed with Tange steerers. Do fork ends and dropouts match?

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