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Old 03-30-18, 06:05 PM
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Gazelle 'Super Licht'

A few weeks ago I came across an interesting piece of Dutch cycling history;

The Gazelle (Sport) 'Super Licht' (which translates to 'super light').


It was a model introduced back in 1964-1969 as one of the first models with a derailleur made by Gazelle in the Netherlands. Sporty upright model made with Reynolds 531 tubing.

Since it was a handbuilt custom model it came in both a 3 or 4 speed derailleur and the following colours:
black, pearl grey, antracite, metallic grey and wine red.

I'll post some more info later but for now here are some pics of mine:








Seems like a previous owner tried to "improve" the bike by upgrading part of it to modern components. :/
But a project is a project.

My plan for now is to clean most of the parts and replace the chainring with an original one to turn it into a 3-speed club racer.

EDIT 10 Oct 2018:
For those looking for more pictures, here is what I've found thusfar:

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Old 03-30-18, 06:27 PM
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What's become of the original image?


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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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What's become of the original image?
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You mean this one:


I removed it because I believe it is not a sport 'super licht' but a sport 'licht' which came with igh's and only had 531 frames instead of frames and fork on the 'super licht'.

It's from this thread (Dutch forum) which talks about both of these and their predecessor.
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Originally Posted by JaccoW View Post
You mean this one:


I removed it because I believe it is not a sport 'super licht' but a sport 'licht' which came with igh's and only had 531 frames instead of frames and fork on the 'super licht'.

It's from this thread (Dutch forum) which talks about both of these and their predecessor.
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Thank you!

I enjoyed it because the uhu seemed to like it as well...


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Shimano Drs might just be original.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
Shimano Drs might just be original.
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Thunderbird front and 600 rear do not make a set.

If Thunderbird original rear would have been something like Lark.

If 600 rear original front would have been something like a Titlist.

The heavy rust on the Thunderbird makes me think it may be original.

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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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Thunderbird front and 600 rear do not make a set.

If Thunderbird original rear would have been something like Lark.

If 600 rear original front would have been something like a Titlist.

The heavy rust on the Thunderbird makes me think it may be original.

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It's definitely old but probably not original. As far as I can tell these originally had just a single chainring up front. I'll read up on it in the next few days. It most likely had Sachs or Simplex parts.
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Been a while since I reported on this one.

Gave it a good scrubbing and now a polish and wax to see how the paint holds up:

Summary: some parts better than others so I'm on the fence about the paint. Is there any way to touch up the bad parts? Or should I just strip the frame, make some replacement decals and have it powdercoated? All the pinstriping seems to be done by hand and it would be a shame to lose that I think.




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Thank you so much for the update.

Good to see the progress.

If you can make the whole frame look as good as the seat tube you'll be in clover.

Was going to say that the Juy cable guide might be a clue to what was there originally gears-wise but then recalled you mentioned they were all single plateau...

You mention you would like to return it to the original chainset. Will you be able to locate the correct one? Love the chainwheel pattern of the bike in the sample image.

The rack mounting arrangement is certainly classier than having an ESGE plate style seat stay bridge.

Chainstay bridge arrangement unusual, at least to these yank eyes, of having both a tubular bridge and an ESGE propstand mount bridge.

Have you been able to identify the lugs used? Could they possibly be an Ekla pattern? Reckon Gazelle so large they could easily have proprietary designs...

Thank you again for the update.


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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
If you can make the whole frame look as good as the seat tube you'll be in clover.
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You mention you would like to return it to the original chainset. Will you be able to locate the correct one? Love the chainwheel pattern of the bike in the sample image.

The rack mounting arrangement is certainly classier than having an ESGE plate style seat stay bridge.

Chainstay bridge arrangement unusual, at least to these yank eyes, of having both a tubular bridge and an ESGE propstand mount bridge.

Have you been able to identify the lugs used? Could they possibly be an Ekla pattern? Reckon Gazelle so large they could easily have proprietary designs...
That's the rub though, it looks like the seattube and the fork have the best paint. Everything else is either pitted, cracked, peeling or gone.

Already found the original chainset. The chrome however is kind of busted up. I was thinking of converting it to a 50.4mm chainring but I'm not sure yet.

Now that you mention it, it does seem strange when compared to racing bikes but these are Dutch bikes so pretty much every bike I own has that sort of setup.

I'll keep them coming, slowly. At the very least I feel like this should be a good bike to learn wheelbuilding on.
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Regarding finish preservation/restoration -

these two forum members seem capable of magic:

Mike J and his Peugeot -

https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=1139832

capnjonny and his Peugeot -

https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=1129436&page=2

https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.p...hlight=peugeot

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I love the chrome crown cap with the Gazelle image cut out. Nice touch on their part!
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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Regarding finish preservation/restoration -

these two forum members seem capable of magic:

Mike J and his Peugeot -

Gazelle 'Super Licht' - Bike Forums

capnjonny and his Peugeot -

Date my old Peugeot - Page 2 - Bike Forums

1963 Peugeot U 08 value - Bike Forums

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Thanks for those links. Seems like the general consensus is wet sanding and a new clear coat. Let's hope the weather stays nice around here.
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Over the past few months I have slowly been collecting parts for this build and cleaning them.
Today a short update on the brakes.

This bike originally came with Weinmann centerpulls but the general consensus is that Mafac racers provide better stopping power. So I found a pair of them on French eBay for €15 including shipping, they just needed a bit of cleaning:


Not bad, some oxidation and the rubber pads were rockhard and impossible to remove. In the end I just grabbed a pair of beefy scissors and cut them out just along the edge of the holder.

Some sonic cleaning later:


Bettter, but sonic cleaners don't remove oxidation so after seeing this recent thread by @jj1091 I knew what I had to do.
JJ1091 went all the way and used up to 2500 grit sandpaper and spent a good 2 days polishing per piece but mine didn't need to be this shiny. The bike's paint wasn't that great anyway.

My process was 280 grit > 600 grit > car polish > car wax. The end result is pretty nice IMHO:



Polished on the left, cleaned on the right.

I have noticed on an older pair of Mafac cantis that the main bolts are brass with a nickel? plating (hence the black oxidation). This plating was quick to disappear but I think it looks nice.
Now all I need are some Koolstop salmon pads and mount it back on the bike.

Which reminds me, I need to show the Mafac vertical mount adapter that I managed to find for the rear brake.
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And mounted:
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Since Gazelle is in the TI Reynolds , group of companies,
so its natural they used Reynolds tube sets.
Sturmey Archer hubs, etc. were part of the group back then also.
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Since Gazelle is in the TI Reynolds , group of companies,
so its natural they used Reynolds tube sets.
Sturmey Archer hubs, etc. were part of the group back then also.
Thanks for that bit of background info.

While searching for some more information today I came across a thread on a Dutch forum calling for more information on these bikes. Seems like they are rare, even in the Netherlands.
Bezitters van Gazelle Sport licht en/of Sport Super licht - Oudefiets.nl (Calling all Owners of Gazelle Sport licht or Sport Super licht).

Lots of pictures and it seems like these models changed a lot over the years. Ranging from 3-speed AW to 4/8-speed derailleur models.
Check out this stem:


More:Bonus:
Original folder pictures (Courtesy of Berkers41)


Note the derailleur model in the front and the 3-speed Sturmey Archer AW in the back.

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Updated the first post with lots of links to a couple of albums with detailed pictures of Gazelle Sport Super Licht, Sport Licht and Sport E.

Folder shot:
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Damnit... guess I will be dealing with my first stuck stem.



The cheap SR stem seems to be completely oxidized and no amount of leverage thusfar has helped. Sigh. WD40 and patience I guess.

Just when I was about to put in the Titan Luxe stem.


Should have paid more attention when buying but let's see how annoying this is going to be,
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You'll get it. Patience and wd40 are your friends. Try getting some penetrating oil in the bottom of the fork with the bike upside down.
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You'll get it. Patience and wd40 are your friends. Try getting some penetrating oil in the bottom of the fork with the bike upside down.
Filled it up and I'll check back in a few days. To be honest the "chemical approach" with drain cleaner and lye looks like it might be fun as well.
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Handlebar stem still isn't budging. The sawblade seems more and more likely.

I did receive this tiny Specialites TA front rack for a rando bag (I didn't realise it was this small) but it will look great once I have everything sorted.


Beer for size


Mounted on the Mafac Racer
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Thanks for the update. Cutting out a stem is not all that hard but getting it to release after a chemical attack is, somewhat more enjoyable. Victory both ways!
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Damnit... guess I will be dealing with my first stuck stem.



The cheap SR stem seems to be completely oxidized and no amount of leverage thusfar has helped. Sigh. WD40 and patience I guess.

Just when I was about to put in the Titan Luxe stem.


Should have paid more attention when buying but let's see how annoying this is going to be,

Hey JaccoW, this is a very nice project you got for you! How did it go with the stuck stem, by the way? What paint did you use on that Titan Luxe stem?
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Originally Posted by alexnagui View Post
Hey JaccoW, this is a very nice project you got for you! How did it go with the stuck stem, by the way? What paint did you use on that Titan Luxe stem?
I'll be giving it another try soon, otherwise it's time for the hacksaw.

For the Titan stem I just used simple acrylic hobby paint and some rubbing alcohol on a damp (not wet) kitchen towel to remove the excess paint.
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