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Old 04-10-18, 02:01 PM
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Hoarder's Paradise (WARNING: pics of bike stuff)

Last Sunday I visited a classic bicycle market that's being organized for quite a few years now. The reason I always go there is that it's not focused on the racing or touring bikes that I like, but rather on the pre-1970 black and grey, heavy, well-made daily transport and utility bikes that our bicycle industry is famous for. Not really my thing, but cool nonetheless. This Rollsflex is a prime example:



Anyway, these collectors and traders somehow always carry some lightweight stuff I do like, probably the result of unintended by-catch of their acquisitions. Usually in a box under the table labeled "everything in this box €5" or something like that.

So I get up early, drive halfway across the - admittedly small - country and spend the Sunday morning getting my hands dirty, digging through countless banana boxes full of crap, hoping to find those little gems. Here's this spring's catch.

The first thing I spotted was a bag of NOS 14-28T freewheels. Five Mondias and a Shimano. Perfect for L'Eroica and the like, as many vintage racing derailleurs are (just) able to handle that range. First one's already mounted on one of my bikes.



A pair of Atala brakes. Anyone ever seen these?



A pair of cute drop bar levers, branded "Special Sova". Forties? Fifties?





A pair of CLB "ville" levers in a similar style. One is missing a bolt, but the advantage of being a hoarder is that I probably have a matching bolt. Somewhere.



Now, these I love. They weigh next to nothing and look very, very elegant IMO. They are not mirrored, but "functionally symmetrical" (no curve), so they may be intended for use as a pair:

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Leather saddles always get my attention. This Idéale 70 has definitely seen better days, but it was cheap, so worth trying to revive it:



This Idéale 90 is in much better shape, and will soon end up on one of my French bikes:



The most interesting one to me is this "Professional Saddle":



Apparently a Brooks copy, it looks to be well-made and has a couple of nice touches. For one, the leather is really thick. The other is that it not only has eyelets for a saddle bag, but the metal is folded in a way as to prevent the bag loops from chafing:



Finally, I got a box of Simson leftovers. Simson is best-known for its tire repair sets (every Dutch household has one), but also marketed other tools. Apparently not all of it sold BITD. I got a (NEW! HANDY!) tire jack (been wanting to try one of those), a couple of "Super Spoke Wrenches" (we'll see about that) and - this I find most appealing - a handful of "The First Aid Spoke (TM)" kits. Could have used one of those last year when I popped a rear drive side spoke during a vacation trip. Anyone have experience with these?



Stupidest and also coolest buy of the day. Made by tool maker "Le Fifon" and fittingly "Breveté". It looks like a chain tool (they made more of those), but I couldn't find another example of this model on-line. Once I had it in my hands I could not let go of it. It swings open to accept the chain.

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Quirky but very cool stuff! (You had me at hoarder)
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That " professional saddle " was worth the trip alone! Really like those levers as well.

Thanks as always for sharing!
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Love your blue-eyed beastie. I've always tried to have at least one sealpoint in the house. Top
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Very cool.

Love the back story.
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Tire jacks similar to that one were sold here during the early '80s and I tried one but did not have much luck with it. I think it was Kool Stop who did it here.
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Love your blue-eyed beastie.
+1 An official cat inspection is important.

There are some cool finds here.
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Very cool, Happy Hoarding! The Atala centerpulls look to be re-branded Universals (model 61?) right down to the blue-printed alloy washers (also came in red).
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Thanks so much for making a report on this event; looks like good fun!

Did the two Tron et Berthet items come with T&B clips or are they generic clips?

Any markings on the cantle or underside of the top on the "Professional" saddle? Find it humourous that the maker tried so hard to duplicate an Avalonian appearance yet the nose of the top is cut in a manner which betrays its non-Avalonian origins...

It is slightly reminiscent of the one offered with a Favorit imprint. The nose piece on those is painted orange with black letters. Not suggesting any relation.

Rollsflex designer clearly not a fan of blade flexure. "Dampenin', what dampenin'!?!?"

Rizzato calipers - my crystal ball yields the following specifications:

short caliper -

center of slot 55.5mm

upper travel limit 49mm

lower travel limit 60mm

long caliper -

center of slot 64mm

upper travel limit 56mm

lower travel limit 72mm

[actually they look like two longies - had not before seen Pietra offer them in that manner]


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Originally Posted by TimmyT View Post
+1 An official cat inspection is important.

There are some cool finds here.
+2, always a requirement for any acquisitions.....

Nice group of components and classic feits you have found. As said by Mon. Juvela, the event sounds like one I would enjoy also.

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I've got a couple of those emergency spokes from a similar grab bag of stuff. Unfortunately, the package was cut down, so I couldn't see how it was supposed to be sized for a wheel.

The tire jack is of a similar design to old motorcycle tools. The Kool Stop copy is invaluable for some tire/rim combinations, but not particularly useful unless you are running a shop.
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Cool stuff.
The more things change...
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Originally Posted by Hudson308 View Post
Quirky but very cool stuff! (You had me at hoarder)
'Fetishist' may have been a better term.

Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
That " professional saddle " was worth the trip alone! Really like those levers as well.
Thanks, yes, that saddle makes me very happy. Looks like it's never been mounted, and the scratches are from floating around in storage somewhere. I can only hope I'll be able to break in the industrial gauge leather before I die ...

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Love your blue-eyed beastie. I've always tried to have at least one sealpoint in the house. Top
Keeping Felix out of most of the pics was actually quite an accomplishment. He takes orders from no-one. Our new dog, which is twenty times his size and weight, has already had to resort to every measure short of killing him to keep him out of her dinner.



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Very cool. Love the back story.
Thanks. Fun to share, too. The really cool thing is that this thread is sure to re-surface in say five years or so, with a new member from Belgium or France telling us exactly what brand and type those cute levers are.

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Tire jacks similar to that one were sold here during the early '80s and I tried one but did not have much luck with it. I think it was Kool Stop who did it here.
I've seen the Kool Stop ones before on this forum, and been intrigued by them. So for € 0,80 I couldn't resist.

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+1 An official cat inspection is important.
No getting away from it. Always looking over my shoulder, even as we speak ...



Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
Very cool, Happy Hoarding! The Atala centerpulls look to be re-branded Universals (model 61?) right down to the blue-printed alloy washers (also came in red).
Thanks. I haven't had time yet to compare them to others. I should have a pair of 61's somewhere .... Need to get a grip on @juvela's post as well ...
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Thanks so much for making a report on this event; looks like good fun!

Did the two Tron et Berthet items come with T&B clips or are they generic clips?

Any markings on the cantle or underside of the top on the "Professional" saddle? Find it humourous that the maker tried so hard to duplicate an Avalonian appearance yet the nose of the top is cut in a manner which betrays its non-Avalonian origins...

It is slightly reminiscent of the one offered with a Favorit imprint. The nose piece on those is painted orange with black letters. Not suggesting any relation.

Rollsflex designer clearly not a fan of blade flexure. "Dampenin', what dampenin'!?!?"

Rizzato calipers - my crystal ball yields the following specifications:

short caliper -

center of slot 55.5mm

upper travel limit 49mm

lower travel limit 60mm

long caliper -

center of slot 64mm

upper travel limit 56mm

lower travel limit 72mm

[actually they look like two longies - had not before seen Pietra offer them in that manner]


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The saddle clips on the Idéales have no apparent markings, and they are certainly not the microadjustable ones I am familiar with. Is there a way to tell?

WRT the "Professional Saddle": I found no clues yet as to its origin. The overall impression of the underside is "tidy" and "unused":





Earlier Brooks Professionals had similar "nose jobs", IIRC.

The Rollsflex bike is a flawed design. It's amazing they sold 10,000 of them, and even more amazing this one survived. Either the spring broke or the bolts with which they were mounted:



WRT the Atala brakes: did Atala actually make them? Or is that crystal ball of yours linked to Universal or Weinmann catalogues of yore?
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Cool stuff.
The more things change...
I think Tektro copied the right style, and did a great job at that. It was not uncommon BITD, BTW. This is on a French mixte I found a while ago:

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Thanks very much non-fixie!

wrt T&B saddle clips -

could see they were not the deluxe model but T&B also did more "ordinary" ones which were marked with their noma:



hence me interrogativo.

Arrestor grabbers produced by Fratelli Pietra. Cesare also had his own private labelled cottered bottom bracket sets, evidently perpetrated by OMG.

LUV foto of Felix e Drinka - just think how much forbearance Drinka must have to put up with Felix!

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Thanks very much non-fixie!

wrt T&B saddle clips -

could see they were not the deluxe model but T&B also did more "ordinary" ones which were marked with their noma:



hence me interrogativo.

Arrestor grabbers produced by Fratelli Pietra. Cesare also had his own private labelled cottered bottom bracket sets, evidently perpetrated by OMG.

LUV foto of Felix e Drinka - just hink how much forbearance Drinka must have to put up with Felix!

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Gotcha.

The 90 clamp is a generic one, as far as I can see, but a little rub on the 70 example revealed some texture which looks similar to your picture:





Thanks for confirming the Universal origin of the brakes.
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It is good you made these detail images of the LXX - once you get it cleaned up you can make a post to the "before & after" thread.

ps - hope there is eno' "meat" remaining it those rails that it will not give surprise when under load.

T & B nominally offered four clips, astonishingly designated as numbers one through four!

Models one an two resemble thine. Model three is the microadjust for round two-wire frames and model four is the microadjust or alloy flat rail models. A four wire was also produced which never seems to get into the brochures. If it did perhaps it might be referenced as model number five...

For T & B fans there are two background resource pages here. The second one has a blank space for the model Nr. 70 saddle so perhaps @non-fixie might wish to email the host with the details from his example...

http://www.ebykr.com/ideale-saddles-...ather-curtain/

http://www.ebykr.com/ideale-saddles-and-clips/

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It is good you made these detail images of the LXX - once you get it cleaned up you can make a post to the "before & after" thread.

ps - hope there is eno' "meat" remaining it those rails that it will not give surprise when under load.

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Attsa joust foyne young feller but we wish to keep our non-fixie all in one piece per piacere!

Somehow oye suspekt thet Herrin non-fixie might have similar esperazione...


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