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Old 04-23-18, 07:06 PM
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Mystery frame ID

I just picked up this bike today, and from what I can tell it has no serial number to even start a search from. The frame appears to be a repaint but it does have some features that lead me to believe it is either a custom or 60s-early 70s frame.



I see campy dropouts, no braze-ons to speak of for cable stops or guides, and a pretty cool fork crown. Oh, and chrome socks on the left side rear stays. Anyone have any clues on the make of this frame?











https://www.flickr.com/photos/153590...in/dateposted/








This is my first time posting pics up here, so my apologies if they don't show up.

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Let’s see if this works.



Hmm, nope. Sorry.
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I built up a Bottechia for my son that has that fork crown.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131757...57630922118844
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
I built up a Bottechia for my son that has that fork crown.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131757...57630922118844
Looks like the same one to me! Do you have any idea what year that bike is from? It's a beauty by the way
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
I built up a Bottechia for my son that has that fork crown.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131757...57630922118844
Yeah I'm with you. The few details I see, like the seat lug and fork crown, say Bottecchia to me. How bout some bottom bracket and head lug pictures?
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Originally Posted by CoRide59
Yeah I'm with you. The few details I see, like the seat lug and fork crown, say Bottecchia to me. How bout some bottom bracket and head lug pictures?
Never mind on the pictures, my amazing powers of observation allowed me to find your Flickr account with a bit of a bottom bracket shot. I'm still thinking Bottecchia.
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OP, in this album on my Flicker page you'll find some shots of one of my Bottecchia's (the blue frame near the end of the album). Do some comparisons, I think this is what you may have. The second link is to my other Bottecchia of the same vintage. These two are late 60's - early 70's vintage.

Under the first link note too my Specialized Epic. When I first saw yours I thought for a second you had one of my shots saved to your page. They are different, but pretty close. We even have a bridge near here, much like in your picture, which is a favorite photo location of mine. Nice Epic you have!

https://flic.kr/s/aHskBhtVhj

https://flic.kr/s/aHskHAT71u
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The (rather primitive) treatment of the stays at the rear dropouts is consistent with Bottecchia. The frames I'm thinking of are Columbus tubing, fully chromed, and take a 27.0 mm seat post.
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I concur, it appears to be a boom era Bottecchia Professional or Giro d'Italia frame.
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I believe that the green bike I left a link to is about a '72 model. I bought it from shnibop (Seattle area?); photos on my Flickr link are his, and oddly enough, that's where it is now, again. The repaint, and presumably the decals, were by Cyclart, before it came to me. I think someone (randyjawa?) said it was a Bottechia Special. The headset is really nice. I built it up with a 8-speed rear cassette, 33 mm tires on Synergy rims, and silver fenders. I wish I had taken photos of it before I shipped it to my son. He hasn't finished reassembling it; but we'll be out to see him in June, so I'll have a chance then.

As rhm says: Columbus tubeset, 27.0 seatpost. Weighed about 3.1 kg, 60 cm CTT, 43 cm chainstays, 58.5 top tube. Enough clearance for 38 mm wide tire in the rear on a 700C rim.

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Originally Posted by CoRide59
OP, in this album on my Flicker page you'll find some shots of one of my Bottecchia's (the blue frame near the end of the album). Do some comparisons, I think this is what you may have. The second link is to my other Bottecchia of the same vintage. These two are late 60's - early 70's vintage.

Under the first link note too my Specialized Epic. When I first saw yours I thought for a second you had one of my shots saved to your page. They are different, but pretty close. We even have a bridge near here, much like in your picture, which is a favorite photo location of mine. Nice Epic you have!

https://flic.kr/s/aHskBhtVhj

https://flic.kr/s/aHskHAT71u
Nice epic yourself! Looks like we had the same build in mind too, except for the dura ace crank
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Thanks everyone! From what you are saying, I'm going to guess this is a bottecchia professional. It has mostly campagnolo nuovo record with a few (tasteful?) Updates from the 80s.

I didn't have a good pic of the entire bike previously, so here is one now.

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Originally Posted by morri869
Nice epic yourself! Looks like we had the same build in mind too, except for the dura ace crank
Yes, and the Dura Ace is only there because I had it sitting around at the time. I built it up back in '93 I think, from a new frame that had been a "take off" bike and ever since have been figuring I'd like a nice clean Tri Color crank to go on. I'm thinking after all these years it must not be too terribly important!
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While it is highly likely cycle left factory badged as Bottecchia it is also conceivable is could have been badged at Carnielli.

Also, Carnielli did some joint venture and private labelling work.

There is online a Carnielli-Dusika bicycle posted. Evidently done in cooperation with or for this Austrian maker.

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