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05-12-18, 08:17 AM
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Garlatti
This one followed me home the other day, Garlatti. The frame, fork, headset, brake calipers, with cartridge bb was the purchase, the wheels pictured were purchased at the same time, they are Campy Record 120mm on Matix "27 rims. I probably won't use the wheels on this one. This appears to be a mid level with derailleur hanger on stamped dropouts and tips. I think it's a 26.2 seat post. Gas pipe, I have no idea of tubing
This is appears very similar to the Cinelli Riviera lugged frame that Garlatti made for English export.
Does any of all y'all know of these or have any information that you can share? Thanks for looking here are a shots as purchased.
05-12-18, 09:10 AM
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Nice find!
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concur with the others, totally cool find
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Looks like a fun project. My list would be fresh paint, graphics and the chrome to its glory past.
Wouldn't get too picky on parts but follow a theme of era correct. Build upon its character with stuff others have mocked such as lowly steel- Campy Velox, steel bars, stem, seat post, cottered crank, etc. And make those parts shining pretty. The exception to a very racey and lightweight vintage tubular wheelset. You might be pleasantly surprised on how nice some of these Italian gaspipers ride. I have a Bottechia set up as described and truly love riding it.
Wouldn't get too picky on parts but follow a theme of era correct. Build upon its character with stuff others have mocked such as lowly steel- Campy Velox, steel bars, stem, seat post, cottered crank, etc. And make those parts shining pretty. The exception to a very racey and lightweight vintage tubular wheelset. You might be pleasantly surprised on how nice some of these Italian gaspipers ride. I have a Bottechia set up as described and truly love riding it.
05-12-18, 03:32 PM
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Buongiorno Sig. LXVI,
Your local co-op certainly seems to be a wonderful trove for vintage lightweight fun items!
Good job with the photos as always.
In North America we only seem to see this marque in batches rather than through regular ongoing importation. And never more than one model at a time(!).
Subject machine hails from a batch brought in ~1972-73. Lots of Agrati here; it could have served as a trade show floor sample for the company.
Lug set is Agrati "ROMA" nr. 000.8020/E/U. Upper head lug item nr. 000.8024. Lower head lug item nr. 000.8023. Seat lug item nr. 000.8059. Bottom bracket shell item nr. 005.8057. Fork ends item nr. 000.8010.
Headset Agrati as well but do not have a model name/number for it.
Cycle's original chainset would have been Agrati cottered steel 170mm.
Original stem & bar set 3TTT Touriste.
Original pedals Sheffield steel.
Original gear ensemble Campag Valentino.
Original front brake hanger Fratelli Pietra (Universal).
Original wheels: Gnutti alloy one-piece large flange QR hubs with Maccari steel serrated rims.
Original saddle pillar: straight steel.
Same bicycles also sold under the Wander marque -
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eH0AA...T5/s-l1600.jpg
Here are two examples from this era and in this livery exhibiting somewhat more fullness -
https://thecabe.com/forum/attachment...39-jpg.745846/
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...b_hillerys.htm
Only know of one earlier importation; it took place in the early sixties. Again, it was only one model - sort of a precursor to your machine. All the examples I have seen have been blue and 56cm C-T-T. One interesting note on them is that they came with Campag Sportman hubs.
One small usage tip - while clearances are large making it possible to run 27's with guards the shell is low. Shell height gives bicycle a nice "roll" down the road but makes it unsuitable for riders who wish to run longer than 170 crank arms and/or who like to pedal hard through corners.
An additional badge under which these bikes are sometimes encountered is that of Velocina.
Hope you have lots of good fun working with this project!
Best wishes with it.
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Buongiorno Sig. LXVI,
Your local co-op certainly seems to be a wonderful trove for vintage lightweight fun items!
Good job with the photos as always.
In North America we only seem to see this marque in batches rather than through regular ongoing importation. And never more than one model at a time(!).
Subject machine hails from a batch brought in ~1972-73. Lots of Agrati here; it could have served as a trade show floor sample for the company.
Lug set is Agrati "ROMA" nr. 000.8020/E/U. Upper head lug item nr. 000.8024. Lower head lug item nr. 000.8023. Seat lug item nr. 000.8059. Bottom bracket shell item nr. 005.8057. Fork ends item nr. 000.8010.
Headset Agrati as well but do not have a model name/number for it.
Cycle's original chainset would have been Agrati cottered steel 170mm.
Original stem & bar set 3TTT Touriste.
Original pedals Sheffield steel.
Original gear ensemble Campag Valentino.
Original front brake hanger Fratelli Pietra (Universal).
Original wheels: Gnutti alloy one-piece large flange QR hubs with Maccari steel serrated rims.
Original saddle pillar: straight steel.
Same bicycles also sold under the Wander marque -
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eH0AA...T5/s-l1600.jpg
Here are two examples from this era and in this livery exhibiting somewhat more fullness -
https://thecabe.com/forum/attachment...39-jpg.745846/
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...b_hillerys.htm
Only know of one earlier importation; it took place in the early sixties. Again, it was only one model - sort of a precursor to your machine. All the examples I have seen have been blue and 56cm C-T-T. One interesting note on them is that they came with Campag Sportman hubs.
One small usage tip - while clearances are large making it possible to run 27's with guards the shell is low. Shell height gives bicycle a nice "roll" down the road but makes it unsuitable for riders who wish to run longer than 170 crank arms and/or who like to pedal hard through corners.
An additional badge under which these bikes are sometimes encountered is that of Velocina.
Hope you have lots of good fun working with this project!
Best wishes with it.
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07-19-20, 04:53 PM
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Very nice bike and glad it will be restored - ouf of interest, how do you re-chrome lugs on such bike without doing rest of the frame?
07-19-20, 05:12 PM
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I bought one new like this one, same color, in 1980 in Montréal. It had campagnolo Valentino derailleurs, Stronglight 5 sdpoke crankset, Mafac center pull brakes, 3TTT stem and handlebars. Can't remember anything about the wheels. I upgraded it to Nuovo Record mech.
I can't tell you anything about the ride because I didn't have much cycling experience at the moment.
I can't tell you anything about the ride because I didn't have much cycling experience at the moment.
07-19-20, 07:43 PM
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That should clean up nicely! There’s no way this frame is going to ride like a dead mare!
07-20-20, 01:59 AM
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Hiya Juvela,
a lot of good info you have - that image I can't see, not Wander example BTW. Whay are you refering as Agrati, is it not Garlati? Typo?
Have picked up a Wander version few weeks ago (images attached) with a box of other goodies. It was resprayed - must say not bad job, albeit celeste green not correct one - and the lugs were painted, presumably chrome was either damaged or they just could not bothered to mask it. Anyhow, bike is not light by any standard, but that does not bother me really. Have plenty of superlight steel to ride on in the shed. In addition to parts you are quoting, this bike has also Wander branded Seatpost and seat clamp, Universal / Wander branded brake calipers.
In a box there were mostly Campaq Gran Sport parts, some I can offload and some I may use for the set up on this bike. I'm in need of Wander decals to add to the frame or at least appropriate image to make them if you have any knowledge?
Thanks for your info.
Hiya Juvela,
a lot of good info you have - that image I can't see, not Wander example BTW. Whay are you refering as Agrati, is it not Garlati? Typo?
Have picked up a Wander version few weeks ago (images attached) with a box of other goodies. It was resprayed - must say not bad job, albeit celeste green not correct one - and the lugs were painted, presumably chrome was either damaged or they just could not bothered to mask it. Anyhow, bike is not light by any standard, but that does not bother me really. Have plenty of superlight steel to ride on in the shed. In addition to parts you are quoting, this bike has also Wander branded Seatpost and seat clamp, Universal / Wander branded brake calipers.
In a box there were mostly Campaq Gran Sport parts, some I can offload and some I may use for the set up on this bike. I'm in need of Wander decals to add to the frame or at least appropriate image to make them if you have any knowledge?
Thanks for your info.
07-20-20, 05:58 AM
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Really cool find! FWIW, before you do a total repaint, you might try a clean, polish, and touch-up with Rustoleum appliance white: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Ole...7705/100140693
I got a white PX10 frame that the paint was worse than that, and with some rust control and then touch up and wet sanding, etc., came out great.
I got a white PX10 frame that the paint was worse than that, and with some rust control and then touch up and wet sanding, etc., came out great.
07-20-20, 06:07 AM
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Plus one on above
Repaint only if absolutely necessary otherwise you loose the original look. I took same advice and glad I did so for many of bikes since. Every ding and scratch tells a story about the bike and its previous owners.
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how did I miss this thread!!!!
01-24-23, 11:00 PM
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That one had a bad braze of the rd space helmet cable stop, it was set at an awkward angle that directed the cable housing into the chain in the highest gears. It rode nicely, I had it set with universal 63 brakes that could stop on dime.
Thats one that was eventually donated to the local co-op.
Thats one that was eventually donated to the local co-op.
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Is that a crack/separation at the seattube/BB junction?
In any case lovely bike!
In any case lovely bike!
01-24-23, 11:28 PM
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That spot at the bb, I don't think that area got brazed properly. On my first cleaning the paint just popped off, I forgot about that. It was clean free of rust, even with the void it was still solidly joined.
The wheels pictured are currently on a Paramount.
The wheels pictured are currently on a Paramount.
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