repechage

The original condition images do tell quite a bit. My guess it left Cinelli as a frame set. Got built in Spain. Going back, Spain was an outlier and not part of the Common Market for quite a while. Imported stuff was expensive. The frame may well have not had any chrome. Not without precedent, but uncommon.

ogx

Thanks!

So do you think it´s a good buy? I collect bikes from 80´s so i´m not an expert on this. My main objective is to confirm that it´s a true supercorsa.

The difference with a B model is only the fork?

repechage

https://cinellionly.blogspot.com

Model B 's evolved too.
​​​​​​​Note that Cinelli was not a large producer, yes of decent volume, but decisions on the shop floor from my view that caused consternation decades later did get made.

ogx

I know the blog, thanks!

In this case i know that it´s a supercorsa for his fork, if someone put him a B model fork i´ll think that it´s a B model.

repechage

On the Cinelli blog site, enter the search term Model B.
You will find that the head lugs of your frame are similar but in my view nicer. Look at the reduction of the lug heights at the front of the head tube, the Model B's got less effort.
In my view it is a top tier model. The head lugs got more much attention all over. Note the side views too.

​​​​​​​A 3ttt saddle on a Cinelli? how gauche.

Kactus

I think you've answered your own question whether to buy it or not.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second. You will most likely be upset with yourself if you don't get it, and as long as the price is decent you can always sell it without losing any money.

bikingshearer 

The serial number would not help determine the year. Up to the 1970s at least, the Cinelli serial number system was no system at all. It was a three- or four-digit number, depending on the model, located on the underside of the bottom bracket shell. Strong men have been reduced to quivering, whimpering blobs of humanity trying to make sense of Cinelli serial numbers.

The bet way I have yet found to date a Cinelli frame is to use Velo-Retro's Cinelli timeline, found here. Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline It is my go-to source for trying to figure out how old a pre-Colombo frame is.

Referring to the time line, you will see my confusion over the combination of "wolf's ear" head tube lugs (discontinued around 1960) and no oil port on the left side of the bottom bracket (still used until the mid-1960s.) According to this, the wolf's ear/no oil port combination should not exist. Cinelli did do custom work and would do stuff for individual customers that he did not do for frames going to dealers, so nothing is impossible. It is, however, very unusual.

Seeing the "before" photos boosts my confidence level that it is indeed a Speciale Corsa and probably a late 1950s one. I'm still not 100% sure, but over 90% sure.

You definitely want to find out whether it has a 70mm or 74mm wide bottom bracket shell. If it is a 74mm shell, that pretty much narrows the possible date range to 1957-1964, but pray it is a 70mm, because that means any standard Italian-threaded bottom bracket from sometime in the 1950s to now will work and all you have to worry about is spindle dimensions (which can be enough of a challenge). The 74mm shells also have the standard Italian threading, but good luck finding a 74mm bottom bracket that will work with the crankset you have. I have been down that road with an old (1961) Bianchi and I finally gave up and installed a Phil Wood BB (not meant for a 74mm shell, but the Phil Wood design is such that you can make it work).

In any event, it is an intriguing frame and I hope it works out for you.

clubman 

You may have better luck dating the Spanish components to get close to the year your frame was built, assuming they were the original build. Contact a vintage Spanish cycling forum?

ogx

I have more and better pictures if this can help. No original seatpost bolt and wrong size seatpost.

ogx

Brands

RobbieTunes

Given the original condition, it's a hell of a restoration/rescue. Bravo to whomever did it, and took the time and trouble to bring that thing back from the brink.

Brands

Regarding the combination wolf ear lugs without oil port there is a 1951 Cinelli S.C. with the same features on the forum.

noglider 

I just looked at my photos, and they are awful. I have pretty bikes, I promise, but I'm such a bad photographer.

ogx

Could you give me the link please?

Thanks.

ogx

Yeah, i bought the bike. I think so, when I check it, I'll tell you.

Regards.

Bad Lag

Are the quick-release levers installed properly on the brakes? I am not familiar with those brakes and can't see the photos that well, however, they seem to be upside-down and backwards.

Brands

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/928066-1951-cinelli-super-corsa.html

ogx

Thanks!