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Old 06-29-18, 10:53 AM
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Red Austro Daimler Build

I intercepted this bike last night, with the intention of acquiring a rough looking vintage road bike to use around town. Something I could lock to a bike rack, and not be terrified of being stolen. But still a sweet ride. Know what I mean?

Well, rough is what I got. It's an Austro Daimler of unknown origin. It doesn't match up to anything in the available catalogs. The lugs are shaped differently than most of the AD's you see online. There is just tiny flecks left of the Reynolds 531 decal on the frame. The fork still has the Reynolds decals. Campagnolo headset and dropouts are a nice touch. It even has a Cinelli stem. So it looks like a good foundation for a fun ride. The bike is really, really light in weight, in comparison to my Motobecane Grand Jubile. It almost feels like a toy.

The parts are a bit odd for this bike. The handlebar is some nasty sort of aero bar. Ugly mirror and Schwinn bike computer to dismantle. Cheap plastic/steel platform pedals. Wheels will need truing, and tire sidewalls are literally crumbling. Cracked rubber covers on the brake hoods. Ugly old seat. I'll need to change all of that to be happy, at a minimum.

There's an odd sorting of attached components. The brakes, levers, shifters and cranks are all Shimano 600EX. Derailleurs are Suntour LePree. Triple Shimano Biospace chainrings give the bike a total of 18 speeds. 27" Mavic wheels.

So here are some pics of what I'm starting with.





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Careful, that rough vintage junk bike is just a little TLC and some cockpit upgrades away from being a sweet vintage ride with a hint of patina
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U R far too modest - that is one very nice machine you found; CONGRATULATIONS!

Cycle very mid-'70's.

Frame constructed with BOCAMA lugset "Super-Leger Luxe" and crown "Super Luxe" nr. BA 8310.

Look forward to following your progress with the bicycle.

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A lot of similarities to the Ultima, but fork crown doesn't match. Nice find, whatever it is.
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A lot of similarities to the Ultima, but fork crown doesn't match. Nice find, whatever it is.
The closest I've found is also the Ultima. Just a couple different things about this frame.

What's really interesting is that the serial number is just 39 away from another bike on the AD serial number registry. The two bikes were probably made in the same hour/day of manufacturing.

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U R far too modest - that is one very nice machine you found; CONGRATULATIONS!

Cycle very mid-'70's.

Frame constructed with BOCAMA lugset "Super-Leger Luxe" and crown "Super Luxe" nr. BA 8310.

Look forward to following your progress with the bicycle.

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Wow. Thanks for the amazing information!!!
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Curious as to the OEM kitting.

We certainly would not have seen this mix ex-works.

Bicycle manufacturers usually buy from one export group or keiretsu whenever possible in order to get a better overall cost on the fittings.

Do the A-D experts know if framesets were ever offered separately so that individuals could do their own builds?

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Curious as to the OEM kitting.

We certainly would not have seen this mix ex-works.

Bicycle manufacturers usually buy from one export group or keiretsu whenever possible in order to get a better overall cost on the fittings.

Do the A-D experts know if framesets were ever offered separately so that individuals could do their own builds?

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The serial number that most closely matches my number in the serial number registry says "Bought new in 1984 as a frame set".
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Definitely a lot nicer than most any beater/lock up bike that I've seen or, for that matter, ridden.
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Originally Posted by AlmostGreenGuy View Post
The serial number that most closely matches my number in the serial number registry says "Bought new in 1984 as a frame set".
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Thank you!

If one looks only at frameset, ignoring fittings, the annum which glides into view is MCMLXXVI.

Wish to make no claims as have little knowledge of the A-D range.

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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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Thank you!

If one looks only at frameset, ignoring fittings, the annum which glides into view is MCMLXXVI.

Wish to make no claims as have little knowledge of the A-D range.

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Now wouldn’t that be a coincidence. I only own two vintage road bikes. One is this AD. The other is a 1976 Motobecane, also in red.
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I don't get the long dropouts if it's an '80's frame. They went out ~1976 or so. A couple years later, maybe, but I wouldn't think '80's.
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I don't get the long dropouts if it's an '80's frame. They went out ~1976 or so. A couple years later, maybe, but I wouldn't think '80's.
I’m betting that it’s a 1970’s frame, sold individually in the 1980’s, when they cleaned out their manufacturing.
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Yes, if one takes the serial registry to be accurate & correct one possible reason for the gap between 1976 and 1984 could be that the frame was snoozing in storage.

Recall that 1978 was the first year a shop near me began carrying the line. A fact which means nothing.

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It feels like a victory just to get the cheap Schwinn bike computer and aero handlebars removed.

Which begs the question........ What handlebars would be appropriate for this build? Maybe a 40 or 42cm Cinelli Giro D'Italia to match the existing Cinelli stem? Or do I go with a more modern Nitto?

Yeah, I know. The whole “flying under the radar” build idea is sorting of going by the wayside.


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​​​​​​​WHOA!

"she luuka mo' beddah awreddy!"

if she had been sold as a frameset she might have come with the Campag HS. it is fairly common to include a HS with a frameset, but by no means "automatic" of course. this could explain the apparent contrast between the headset & stem vs the balance of the cycle's fittings.

one thing A-D did in their kitting, which was a bit unusual, was to mix fittings from several manufacturers in one model - even more than one export group or keiretsu. enjoyed looking at their midliner models for this reason, machines such as the Olympian.

if mine, would move to make it "all of a piece" in either direction. either middle range or upper range, either europe or nippon. but not mixed.

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If you want to touch up the paint, I've found this to be a perfect match: https://www.amazon.com/Nina-Ultra-Pr.../dp/B01N2UQTEN
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I keep hoping somebody who sold these back in the day is going to stop by and say, "Oh yeah, that's a...."

1976 sounds about right to me. It looks like the Ultima in the 1976 catalog (minus the chrome lugs and a name on the top tube), but the one pictured there was a special "one off" made for the guy who headed up U.S. distrtribution. The catalog does say it was available in this color though.
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Watch handlebar clamp diameter if switching Cinelli to Nitto bars.

Unless you you mean to swap both bar+stem.
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If you want to touch up the paint, I've found this to be a perfect match: https://www.amazon.com/Nina-Ultra-Pr.../dp/B01N2UQTEN
Thank you VERY much. You just saved me a bunch of time in experimentation.
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Watch handlebar clamp diameter if switching Cinelli to Nitto bars.

Unless you you mean to swap both bar+stem.
Yeah. This is an issue. The existing aero bar used shims for a total diameter of 26.74. Measuring the inside of the clamp on the Cinelli stem gave me 25.72. So I'm not exactly sure what I've got or what I need.
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My $0.02 worth (and worth every penny):
1. frame is a keeper -- Austrian bikes are great, even if yours is from Graz instead of Vienna (OK, I'm biased)
2. scrap those bars -- my PKN-10 came w/ a set of those, and that was the first thing to go
3. scrap the Biopace -- my Schwinn mountain bike came with outer and middle Biopace, and those were the first items to go
4. perfect transportation/beater. What's the seatpost diameter? If you plan to use a rear rack and panniers, this is where plain gauge 531 (26.4 or 26.6mm seatpost) may be better than butted (27.2mm). (I have used a plain gauge and a butted Capo, both 531, and with identical geometries and lugwork, for commuting, and the butted one got a bit shaky/flexy when loaded.)
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Is this what you are looking for...


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Is this what you are looking for...

Close, but different frame. The lugs being the most notable difference.
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Lusgset BOCAMA and also a pattern which launched mid-seventies. Would need more/better images to make specific ID.

Bike looks to be slightly later than subject machine.


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AD were the higher end Puchs . The Suntour Lapree was a 3 wheel rear derailer. Usually seen on touring bikes. They weren't big sellers new. I liked my double & triple Biopace cranks. They gave my knees some relief. Looks like somebody's 1980's Time Trail, or Triathlon,,etc bike. Just frozen in place. Good luck.
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