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What did I buy? Giuseppe Bianchi of Firenze?

Old 07-08-18, 11:37 PM
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What did I buy? Giuseppe Bianchi of Firenze?

I was cruising around ebay last Tuesday before Independence day and came across this cruiser. I was wanting a cruiser to match up with the SO's Italian cruiser so we threw around offers and I won it.

Seller hasn't shipped it yet (advised it would get shipped out this Monday) and I wanted to take better pics of it but I really can't contain my curiousity anymore and wanted the oh-so knowledgable persons on BF to speculate with me, lol.

If its half as interesting as the pics and description says I'm happy. Sometimes, it's all about the style

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This bicycle was made by Giuseppe Bianchi company. The decal on the frame has a red fleur-de-lis, and reads: Giuseppe Bianchi Firenze, Via Nazionale, 130r, Costruzione Velocipedi. Giuseppe Bianchi may have been the son of Edoardo Bianchi, the founder of the Bianchi Bicycle Company. In original condition. Still has the original white Clement tires that show no wear. This bike appears to have been hardly ridden and spent most of its life in a commercial storage unit. Beautiful example of 1960's hand-built Italian craftsmanship. Features include: flamboyant violet paint, chromed cutout lugs, internally routed derailleur/shift lever cable, internally routed wire for rear light, internally routed brake cable, stock skirt guard, short club handlebars, Gampione shift lever and derailleur (early Campagnolo competitor), frame pump and factory installed generator. Four cog freewheel, single chainring, and cottered crank. Chrome is in excellent condition except the fenders.

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Old 07-08-18, 11:40 PM
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Old 07-09-18, 12:57 AM
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No idea about exactly what it really is, BUT it is a about as cool as can be. Well done, very well done.
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Italian City Bike (Bici Cita) that looks to use lugset that Chiorda (and many other Brands) favored in the 50s and 60s: Torpado, Olmo even the BIG Bianchi of Milan. This has either been carefully restored or kept in a sealed chamber cause it looks nearly new. One touch that's "off" is the modern black grips, it could use some more vintage-looking.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:28 AM
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That chrome-y trombone curve on the bottom of the "top" tube, and the 180-degree chain guard, downright yummy. Even the pedals appear to be in good shape.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:39 AM
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I saw one of these a couple years ago, parked on a street in Sienna. Unlike your bike, it had seen years of hard service and looked to still ne in use. Nice find!
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Some diggin on the interwebs...

Doing some digging on the interwebs and this is what I have been able to glean:

According to Velobase G.Bianchi transformed into the BETA moped company in the 1940's. BETA looks to still exist today building motorcycles. I am not too sure about this since this bike is billed as a 1960's era bicycle and according to Velobase, G.Bianchi existed only from early 1900's to 1940's. Also the Fleur de Lis headbadge is not found anywhere on the BETA bikes that I've looked at. But perhaps, BETA became their main line of business and building pedal bikes was a side thing, both were based out of Florence, Italy...?

Sort of backing up @unworthy1 's surmising of 1950's/1960's based on the lugset, the rear derailleur (based on description and looks) appears to be a Gian Robert Campione mk2, which according to disraeligears would have been circa 1970. This appears to be a low end derailleur which appears to be a theme of the G. Bianchi bikes. Handmade frames with quality metal but low end componentry.

It also appears this is not the first time the marque has made it onto the boards either:
Old old Bianchi ... What is it?
anybody know about G. Bianchi?
Not Special or Issima
Need Help Identifying 1970's Italian Road Bike

One last link from velobase regarding a road bike from the same maker. The last comment on that page is seems to come to the conclusion that I am coming to.

My theory: This G. Bianchi was a low volume builder, a boutique builder in today's language. The frames were handmade with quality metal and some interesting details but used low end components to make them more affordable. My particular bike was probably built in the late 60's/early 70's with leftover lugs from the 60's. G.Bianchi probably spent a massive amount of time on this frame and added the very low end components to get the thing to sell. I can imagine he had top of the line gear on it at one point but after having it sit in the shop forever, swapped the high end stuff to the low end stuff to sell the bike.

Can't wait to actually see it in person!
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Originally Posted by madpogue View Post
That chrome-y trombone curve on the bottom of the "top" tube, and the 180-degree chain guard, downright yummy. Even the pedals appear to be in good shape.
I agree, that's what really turned me onto the bike.

You may see it riding around. I'm right in your neck of the woods.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
Italian City Bike (Bici Cita) that looks to use lugset that Chiorda (and many other Brands) favored in the 50s and 60s: Torpado, Olmo even the BIG Bianchi of Milan. This has either been carefully restored or kept in a sealed chamber cause it looks nearly new. One touch that's "off" is the modern black grips, it could use some more vintage-looking.
Yeah, I noticed those 1980's BMX-looking grips too. Definitely will have to replace. Thanks for the heads up on the lugset!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni View Post
I saw one of these a couple years ago, parked on a street in Sienna. Unlike your bike, it had seen years of hard service and looked to still ne in use. Nice find!
Do you recall if the one you saw had integrated brake levers like this one appears to have? Must've been an Italian city bike styling thing cause the SO's vintage city bike also has integrated brake levers on the handlebars.
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Hello zze86 -

A most excellent job with your detective work on the bike!

Was going to post earlier but delighted to now see you have been able to answer your own questions.

Just to muddy the waters a bit there is also a Sergio Bianchi of Firenze who operates a retail bike shop. Forum member non-fixie stopped in there a couple years back for some replacement pneumatici and snapped this image -



As you correctly ascertained the seller in Dryden was a bit off on the dating as machine cannot be prior to the early 1970's. Clues in addition to the gear ensemble are the chainset, bottom bracket fittings and wedgebolts. Cycle's chainset & bottom bracket fittings may produced by OMG. The arms on these are typically unmarked. The bottom bracket fittings occasionally exhibit markings. One spot to check is the centre section of the bottom bracket spindle. There may be an oval recess there with the letters OMG in it. Agrati is another possibility. The set from them which matches the pattern found on the bicycle is item nr. 731/Z-48.

The frame is constructed using Agrati lug pattern "BRIANZA", set nr. 000.8030/D. The bulge-formed head is item nr. 021.8356. Seat lug is item nr. 024.8059. Fork crown is Agrati "SPORT" 026.8058. The frame's bottom bracket shell will be Agrati as well but none of the images show it well enough for a specific identification. The dropouts are Agrati item nr. 000.8002. The fork ends are Agrati item nr. 000.8010.

The bicycle's headset is Agrati item nr. 209.3071; pattern is a decagon, takes 5/32" balls. The white rubber bow-shaped pedals are a Sheffield product. The wheel rims look to be Maccari; these are sometimes also marked San Remo. The five-piece steel solid axle 36 hole hubs are likely unmarked. Several firms offered them. Since the bike seems so largely Agrati will give the model number for their version - Sport 000.9011.

The condorino stem/bar set appears to be unmarked. A number of makers offered them such as Schierano, Varese & ITM. There is a small possibility you may discover a marking in the portion down inside the steerer.

Chainguard may have been produced by Mazzuchelli.

The dark coloured brake calipers are puzzling. Usually condorino bikes are fitted with chrome plated steel sidepull calipers. These are often Universal Mignon and can sometime be Super Rapid or Agrati. Yours is the first condorino have seen with dark calipers so will have to leave that open.

Think it unlikely cycle produced by a retail shop; but that is just my opinion. Leaning toward thinking it a contract build. In the earlier thread on the bike back in May T-Mar wrote that he thought it appeared like a Rizzato product. Have learned to never disagree with him as he seems to be always correct!



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