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Old 07-10-18, 12:41 PM
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@squirtdad it does look like a torture device of some sort. The article mentions it can be covered, I assume it will be slotted in different directions.

CF may go the way of aluminum/titanium if this Graphene stuff works out. "A single sheet of Graphene can hold an elephant and not break."
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Old 07-10-18, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
very nice, but in a very specific bit of curmudgenous..... I don't like straight forks, on vintage or modern but all really beautiful bikes even with straight forks
Thanks. Only three have a straight fork, the Bottecchia has the more traditional fork.

I think that straight forks improve handling, especially descending.

what do you think of the modern Pinarello forks?
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Sweet bikes!

I tend to agree with you.

A friend has a C59 and it is an amazing bike.
Thank you. Both the C59 and the C60 have amazing ride qualities.

But I totally understand the attraction for thin, well-designed steel tubing.
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Old 07-10-18, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Well said, but I don't, necessarily, agree that the new stuff is ugly. In fact, the new frame materials allow for a different kind of creativity. Personally, I am a sap for chrome lugs, fork socks and stays, but I can see pure beauty in some of the new stuff also. Might even give one a test ride some day (pic from Google search)...
Yeah, that looks pretty good except for the frame and fork.
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Bike design seems to have entered the same phase as auto design lately: intentional, gratuitous ugliness.
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Old 07-10-18, 02:12 PM
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The primary requirements for any/all of the machines that I've built for myself over the years have never included "pretty", although some are judged so in retrospect.
A very well fitted and equipped machine that serves it's purpose has an aesthetic that exceeds the simply utilitarian in any generation of design.

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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
I think that straight forks improve handling
The so-called "straight" forks of today are being made in pretty much the same geometries as ever.

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Old 07-10-18, 02:45 PM
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Vintage bikes are beautiful. Modern bikes are beautiful too, but in a different way. I love my old Italian steel and will never part with them, but I'd be fooling myself to think that they're superior to modern bikes.
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The decline began long ago, and I suspect it was some time before anyone recognized it as a trend. During the 60's bicycle graphics were stripped of their frills... was that modernization, or decline? By the early 80's decals amounted to nothing but the brand name. By the end of that decade the brand name had grown and multiplied until it could be found just about anywhere on a bike frame. And all this happened before forks became unicrown.

And then forks became unicrown.

Ugly is not the result of modernization or of reduced manufacturing costs, or at least not always. Most of the time it is an aesthetic choice.

I'm not partial to sloping top tubes, but the ugly in modern bikes goes far deeper than that.
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Bikes with black spokes and black paint are not allowed on my property.
I hear what you're saying, but I don't find anything wrong with black paint. @RiddleOfSteel's flat black/white decals/chrome lugged Paramount looks great to me. I tried to find pics from his original post, maybe they're blocked here at work?

I really don't like black anodized parts. It's a personal thing from working at an LBS. Every time we'd have a bike with lots of black anodizing on it there would invariably be a scratch on it. We had various anodization pens to cover them up and hoped no one would notice.
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I don't think I've ever seen an uglier crank than the current Campagnolo offerings. Utility has truly taken over as the only aesthetic.
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I don't think I've ever seen an uglier crank than the current Campagnolo offerings. Utility has truly taken over as the only aesthetic.
The 12 speed crankset is better, plain, nondescript.
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Most brand new bikes look odd because they were designed by computer programs and built by robots. Human art and design is no longer desired. Beauty is gone. Bicycles now resemble something that insects could operate.
With all due respect, I think this is a huge over generalization. You are lumping together mass produce CF bikes with handmade CF bikes.

Lots of gorgeous, sexy bikes out there.
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Vintage bikes are beautiful. Modern bikes are beautiful too, but in a different way. I love my old Italian steel and will never part with them, but I'd be fooling myself to think that they're superior to modern bikes.
Sir, you are correct.

I love, no I LOVE my Bottecchia and my Master.

The C59 and the C60 are superior bikes, however.
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I ride both vintage and modern, I love them all. I started on an "English Racer" 3 speed, went to a Schwinn Continental, started racing on a Legnano Roma, got a modern Specialized Aluminum Allez, CF Roubaix, and my latest, a CF Culprit with Di2, and disk brakes. I just built a '73 Raleigh Super Course from a trashed frame. I kept and ride everything from the Legnano forward. The Legnano was modern state of the art in '64, the Allez, in its day, the Roubaix, and now the Culprit. I love riding the Raleigh. If modern bikes got ugly, I must have missed it. I love riding and looking at all of mine. I'm sure there are ugly bikes out there. Don't look at them, don`t buy them. Maybe they'll go away.

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Originally Posted by rando_couche View Post
Bike design seems to have entered the same phase as auto design lately: intentional, gratuitous ugliness.
Have you seen the monstrous looking cars to come out of Honda lately?, Especially the new Civics! Total Yarf!! Robot cockroach shaped cars with ridiculous looking, massive fake bumper vents on four corners......And the alloy wheels, they made them so ugly that they actually look like cheap plastic hubcaps....
And I thought they used to be the Japanese car company that had the most sensible but still sophisticated looking designs.
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Have you seen the monstrous looking cars to come out of Honda lately?, Especially the new Civics! Total Yarf!! Robot cockroach shaped cars with ridiculous looking, massive fake bumper vents on four corners......And the alloy wheels, they made them so ugly that they actually look like cheap plastic hubcaps....
And I thought they used to be the Japanese car company that had the most sensible but still sophisticated looking designs.
I concur. I see them on the road and I saw a few commercials...the civics have been on a long, slow styling decline since...1995 or so.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post


With all due respect, I think this is a huge over generalization. You are lumping together mass produce CF bikes with handmade CF bikes.

Lots of gorgeous, sexy bikes out there.
How is he lumping robot built mass production and handbuilt bikes together when he specifically was talking about the robot built ones?
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What are "robot-built" bikes versus non-robot-built bikes?

Carbon fiber parts are typically extremely labor-intensive to make.
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How is he lumping robot built mass production and handbuilt bikes together when he specifically was talking about the robot built ones?
Read his post.

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I ride both vintage and modern, I love them all. I started on an "English Racer" 3 speed, went to a Schwinn Continental, started racing on a Legnano Roma, got a modern Specialized Aluminum Allez, CF Roubaix, and my latest, a CF Culprit with Di2, and disk brakes. I just built a '73 Raleigh Super Course from a trashed frame. I kept and ride everything from the Legnano forward. The Legnano was modern state of the art in '64, the Allez, in its day, the Roubaix, and now the Culprit. I love riding the Raleigh. If modern bikes got ugly, I must have missed it. I love riding and looking at all of mine. I'm sure there are ugly bikes out there. Don't look at them, don`t buy them. Maybe they'll go away.
Hey, I rode with that Legnano this last Fourth of July.

Steve, you have great bikes...and an engine to match.

Catch you soon.
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I concur. I see them on the road and I saw a few commercials...the civics have been on a long, slow styling decline since...1995 or so.
While the "look" of the new Type R is not my cup of tea, the car is an absolute joy to drive.

I ran through quite a few British, German and Italian sports cars in the 70s and 80s.

I wouldn't take any of them over the Type R when I take the entire car into consideration..
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Have you seen the monstrous looking cars to come out of Honda lately?, Especially the new Civics! Total Yarf!!.
Thus my wife is holding on to her S2000 (used to be mine until she took it, don't weep for me because she bought me a Boxster); hoping something more appealing will come out.

Even on a bad day, a Jag XK150 drophead or a Frazier-Nash LeMans Replica will turn heads more than any modern Lamborghini, even if they ARE slower. Kinda like bikes...
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post


Read his post.

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Okay:
Most brand new bikes look odd because they were designed by computer programs and built by robots. Human art and design is no longer desired. Beauty is gone. Bicycles now resemble something that insects could operate.
This seems to suggest that he is talking about "most" bikes lacking beauty because they aren't designed or built by people.
Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
With all due respect, I think this is a huge over generalization. You are lumping together mass produce CF bikes with handmade CF bikes.

Lots of gorgeous, sexy bikes out there.
If his post is about machine designed and built bikes, where did he "lump" handmade carbon bikes in with them?

Thanks.

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Some of the new stuff works well enough. Lots of it only works well enough to sell. All is set up so you have to dive all the way in and get unified systems. Vintage meant everything was compatible with everything, presuming you knew how it worked. No one is coming back to any current production bike when it becomes theoretically vintage after twenty or thirty years. New stuff has a shelf life and it is real short. Service parts are not available when the components are new and certainly won't be in future.
I find this kind of thinking pretty odd. I'm a vintage guy but having worked as a mechanic in a shop selling new bikes and parts and having built quite a few, both stock and custom, my experience has been that the sheer majority of modern components are well-made, reliable, and interchangeable. Especially when talking the big guys, Shimano, SRAM, etc... Do you have any examples to back up your conclusion?

The only thing I can think of that you might be referring to is indexing systems not working with each other. But that has existed since the 80s. Or long pull vs short pull brakes. Early 90s.
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