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Old 07-10-18, 02:00 PM
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Raleigh frame ID query! Super Course or.., ?











Picked this frame up last week, and suspect itís a Super Course. However, as unfamiliar with Raleigh as I am, I canít be sure. Hoping an expert might chime in to help ID, and perhaps date this frame.

Research is so far showing me that the Super Course, and the International were the two models which came with Nervex lugs. If there were others, Iíve missed that. Iím also gathering that while the the International would have chromed lugs at the head, the Super Course would not. It appears that under the repaint, the head lugs here were not chromed, pointing me towards the hunch that this is the lower model. The green paint underneath the repaint however seems lighter than I would expect ďbronze greenĒ to be which is what was offered for the Super Course. It looks closer to a chartreuse which I understand was offered with the International. Furthermore, the drive side chain stay on my frame is dimpled, which would indicate that it is not an International if Iím of the correct understanding.

Early 70s probably? Maybe between 71í and Ď73? The missing head badge would have mounted with three rivets, and the 6 digit serial number is stamped on the left dropout, while the underside of the bottom bracket simply bares an ďXĒ.
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I say it's a Super Course. Internationals not only had chromed head lugs but also Campagnolo forged dropouts with a derailleur hanger. Anniversary oval badges and the usual heron badge both took three rivets, so you could go back to what, 1970? 1969? I am not rock solid on when Raleigh started using Nervex Professional lugs on the SC.
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Definitely a Carlton made Raleigh Super Course. The Nervex lugs put it to very early 1970s and the three hole badge mounts indicate a Raleigh Heron badge. The dropout style, the rear brake cable arch and the chrome all place the bike in period. Hope you got the matching fork. Have you seen this thread: Show us your Raleigh Super Course! ?
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
Internationals... also Campagnolo forged dropouts with a derailleur hanger.
Thank you for some facts I was unaware of. Iíve also noticed the Internationals had wrap around seat stays, though perhaps that wasnít consistent through the years? Anyway, enough there to rule out an International, and put a positive ID on the Super Course it seems.

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Old 07-10-18, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bertinjim View Post
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Definitely a Carlton made Raleigh Super Course. The Nervex lugs put it to very early 1970s and the three hole badge mounts indicate a Raleigh Heron badge. The dropout style, the rear brake cable arch and the chrome all place the bike in period. Hope you got the matching fork. Have you seen this thread: Show us your Raleigh Super Course! ?
Thanks for the further information, and for the link which I hadnít come across yet. Unfortunately the original fork did not come with the frame. I have something that might work until I can locate a proper replacement. Iím tempted to build this frame for the $100 100 day clunker challenge.
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According to Kurt Kaminer's site, the only 6-digit serial number scheme was for 1972, or early 1973. Additionally, you might want to send him a query on your serial number for 1972, since his chart shows the serial number ranges from 67xxxx-900000 but not starting with 2 as yours does. It's not an International, since the dropouts are stamped-steel, not forged. The green underneath the paint on your frame is also not Chartreuse, so it's likely a previous repaint. I'd concur from the frame details that it's a 1972 Super Course.
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You might want to get a fork off a Raleigh Grand Prix. They are much more common, are hi-tensile just like the SC's fork and have chrome socks with the same fork crown.

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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
Kurt Kaminer's site... you might want to send him a query on your serial number for 1972... The green underneath the paint on your frame is also not Chartreuse, so it's likely a previous repaint. I'd concur from the frame details that it's a 1972 Super Course.
Thank you. Your points make good sense, and Iíve suspected too that the bike may have been repainted more than once. I may just email him as you suggested. Iíve referred to his site already, but found it slightly confusing as even he noted that the numbering systems were all over the place, and in now way definitive.
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Originally Posted by bertinjim View Post
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You might want to get a fork off a Raleigh Grand Prix. They are much more common, are hi-tensile just like the SC's fork and have chrome socks with the same fork crown.
Ah! Good to know. Thank you.
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It's a great frame to build from. Yours looks very similar to my '73, except for the lugs. Yours has a higher serial no. Mine was a trash pile find, with cable guides all removed, wrong fork and crank. I built it up as an Eroica ride, and had a great time with it last year, more than $100, but worth every penny. I found a NOS Ebay Rampar Tange fork, wrong type crown, but it rides very well. I have a spare Grand Prix fork with a too short steerer. If you need it, PM me, I'm in the LA area.



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Welcome to the fun of researching a mystery Raleigh. You may or may not be able to get it definitively identified but if you like internet research and going down rabbit holes, then you will enjoy the process.
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Where is the serial number located on vintage Raleighs? I have a bike that I'm having trouble id-ing.
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Look at the pictures above.
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Originally Posted by msmessyjessy View Post
Where is the serial number located on vintage Raleighs? I have a bike that I'm having trouble id-ing.
No easy answer to that Iím afraid. Hopefully this site can put you closer to finding one though...

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Originally Posted by Slightspeed View Post
It's a great frame to build from. Yours looks very similar to my '73, except for the lugs. Yours has a higher serial no. Mine was a trash pile find, with cable guides all removed, wrong fork and crank. I built it up as an Eroica ride, and had a great time with it last year, more than $100, but worth every penny. I found a NOS Ebay Rampar Tange fork, wrong type crown, but it rides very well. I have a spare Grand Prix fork with a too short steerer. If you need it, PM me, I'm in the LA area.
Beautiful bike, and gorgeous lugs. Itís amazing what folks will toss in the trash isnít it? Oddly enough, I also have a Tange fork (not sure which exactly) that I purchased at the same time as the frame. Itís attached to a wrecked Pinarello. Fingers crossed itíll fit the Raleigh. If it doesnít, and I have difficulty finding something thatíll work, Iíll certainly PM about that Grand Prix fork. Thanks for mentioning it!

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Welcome to the fun of researching a mystery Raleigh. You may or may not be able to get it definitively identified but if you like internet research and going down rabbit holes, then you will enjoy the process.
Itís fun alright... until the headache sets in!

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I also got my Super Course from the trash! It was the one day a year we were allowed to put bulky items on the curb. I grabbed it and rebuilt it. Then my neighbor J from the other side of the town told me he had picked it from the trash a few years earlier and rebuilt it for the neighbor, D, from whose property I had taken it.
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Mine came from the dump nasty acictent no numbers just an big X on BB

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