Bar End Shifters?
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Bar End Shifters?
What do you think about bar end shifters? Do you use them on your strict C&V builds?
I've been thinking about how to make my 1978 Team Pro more rideable. One issue I have with the downtube shifters (Simplex retrofrictions) is that I am not coordinated enough to shift when riding out of the saddle. So if I'm, say, pushing hard on a hill and the grade eases so that I want a bigger gear, I have to sit down, shift, and get up again. I've gotten used to simply shifting while staying up, using brifters and Gevenalle shifters.
I do recall from prior bikes with bar ends that sometimes my knee hit them when sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. I don't know if those bikes were perhaps poorly sized for me.
So, the book on the Ti-Raleigh teams shows a few team bikes with bar ends, in races. Apparently a few of the team riders used them, back in 1976-1980, and thus I could try bar ends without losing the "correctness" that is important for this particular bike in the fleet.
I have a suitable set of bar end shifters and some CLB alloy housing that I could install. One thing I wonder is if Benotto tape works well when wrapped over housing. The other is if I should try to adapt the retrofrictions for bar end use, and how.
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I've been thinking about how to make my 1978 Team Pro more rideable. One issue I have with the downtube shifters (Simplex retrofrictions) is that I am not coordinated enough to shift when riding out of the saddle. So if I'm, say, pushing hard on a hill and the grade eases so that I want a bigger gear, I have to sit down, shift, and get up again. I've gotten used to simply shifting while staying up, using brifters and Gevenalle shifters.
I do recall from prior bikes with bar ends that sometimes my knee hit them when sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. I don't know if those bikes were perhaps poorly sized for me.
So, the book on the Ti-Raleigh teams shows a few team bikes with bar ends, in races. Apparently a few of the team riders used them, back in 1976-1980, and thus I could try bar ends without losing the "correctness" that is important for this particular bike in the fleet.
I have a suitable set of bar end shifters and some CLB alloy housing that I could install. One thing I wonder is if Benotto tape works well when wrapped over housing. The other is if I should try to adapt the retrofrictions for bar end use, and how.
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I use barcons on my vintage bikes, including both my Masi and my Holdsworth-copy made by Rodriguez. I can’t see why Benotto tape would not work well over the shift housing. Dunno about the retrofrictions, though. How compatible are the innards with Shimano or Suntour bar controls?
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Do it, I have never had any but them until the Paramount was recently acquired and it is likely going to get them as well. Don't know about the Benotto but I'm sure it was used back in the day. I put them on the Bruce Gordon and they came on the green Merz. I have long legs and almost never hit them, but also almost never ride out of the saddle. Can't imagine riding without them.

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I am pretty sure bar end Retrofrictions exist, but finding siome might be a challenge.
I would probably just go with Suntour.
I would probably just go with Suntour.
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Yes, Bar end (Simplex) retrofrictions do exist.
I have a set I want to do a Raleigh SBDU build around on, one day,......if I ever get lucky enough to find one.......
I have a set I want to do a Raleigh SBDU build around on, one day,......if I ever get lucky enough to find one.......

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I've got bar-ends on multiple bikes. I like them.
Bar-end shifters can be shifted out of the saddle, although it's still clumsier than with brifters. The hand doing the shifting is out past the ends of the drops, with most of its fingers not gripping the bar to a very meaningful degree, and its coordination is occupied with the shifting process. Furthermore, if you're someone who often rides out of the saddle from the hoods, you have to move your hand to the drop as part of the process. This all usually ends up being a little disruptive to pedaling form despite not having to sit down, although it's mostly a better situation than downtubes.
Why do you think Benotto tape might be an issue?
Bar-end shifters can be shifted out of the saddle, although it's still clumsier than with brifters. The hand doing the shifting is out past the ends of the drops, with most of its fingers not gripping the bar to a very meaningful degree, and its coordination is occupied with the shifting process. Furthermore, if you're someone who often rides out of the saddle from the hoods, you have to move your hand to the drop as part of the process. This all usually ends up being a little disruptive to pedaling form despite not having to sit down, although it's mostly a better situation than downtubes.
Why do you think Benotto tape might be an issue?
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VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex Cross Commande (retro-friction)

VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano L-600 Fingertip Control Barcons
But as you note finding a set can be a problem, and they tend to be costly when you do find them. The Simplex ones work best with a demultplicator:

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex 3637 L Demultiplicator
I would probably just go with Suntour.
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I happily use SunTour ratchet barcons on my Peugeot transportation beater, and I sometimes think about retrofitting one of the Capos with them, as well. I am definitely a fan of them, ever since we put a Campag. unit (yes, the 1970s SunTours are better) on my high school friend's 1960 Schwinn Continental back in 1967, and we had to solder together a cable extension, for lack of availability of a long cable off-the-shelf at the local shop. (Probably the only 1960 Conti. with full chrome plating and the original Simplex rod shift front and a barcon-controlled Campag. GS rear.)
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I always had a wrap of adhesive cotton bar tape (sometimes over inner tube strips) under my cellotape to enlarge the effective bar diameter slighter and improve comfort. I would think that this approach would alleviate any potential issues between bar end cable housing and celloptape.
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Simplex Retrofrictions are not impossible to find. They are hard to differentiate from standard Simplex friction shifters, so sellers may not realize what they have. John Thompson is right, they work better with a demultiplicator relay to reduce cable pull.
I'm not a fan of Suntour Barcons or any other friction shifters that ratchet.
I'm not a fan of Suntour Barcons or any other friction shifters that ratchet.

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They do. Both Simplex and Shimano made them:

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex Cross Commande (retro-friction)

VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano L-600 Fingertip Control Barcons
But as you note finding a set can be a problem, and they tend to be costly when you do find them. The Simplex ones work best with a demultplicator:

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex 3637 L Demultiplicator
There's nothing wrong with the SunTour Bar-Cons, and they tend to be both more available and less costly than the retrofriction units. And they're still far better than the friction-only levers from Campagnolo and others.

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex Cross Commande (retro-friction)

VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano L-600 Fingertip Control Barcons
But as you note finding a set can be a problem, and they tend to be costly when you do find them. The Simplex ones work best with a demultplicator:

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex 3637 L Demultiplicator
There's nothing wrong with the SunTour Bar-Cons, and they tend to be both more available and less costly than the retrofriction units. And they're still far better than the friction-only levers from Campagnolo and others.
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I love my bar ends, have OEM Campy on my Legnano, and recently built a Super Course with Suntour ratcheting bar cons. I like the feel of the Suntour better than the Campy, but really love them both. Just before Eroica, I was doing lots of vintage miles getting used to the damned toe clips, When I got on my modern Di2, I reached for the non-existant bar ends more than once. The Brooks bar wrap looks fat on the Raleigh because I went over the previous foam tape.
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Depends on the bike and the use I intend it for. For example, I do not like them on my 1969 Atla...

But I absolutely love my seven speed indexed bar ends on my 1982 Bianchi Touring...


But I absolutely love my seven speed indexed bar ends on my 1982 Bianchi Touring...


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I rode w/ Shimano barcons for Criterium racing for their quick/smooth operation and ST for the positive sturdy stay-put of ratcheting in the rough environment of cyclo cross "back when".
One ST is still in service on the town bike functioning perfectly > 40 years on.
As far as shifting while standing and putting the power down goes.....good luck with that.
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One ST is still in service on the town bike functioning perfectly > 40 years on.
As far as shifting while standing and putting the power down goes.....good luck with that.
-Bandera
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I rode w/ Shimano barcons for Criterium racing for their quick/smooth operation and ST for the positive sturdy stay-put of ratcheting in the rough environment of cyclo cross "back when".
One ST is still in service on the town bike functioning perfectly > 40 years on.
As far as shifting while standing and putting the power down goes.....good luck with that.
-Bandera
One ST is still in service on the town bike functioning perfectly > 40 years on.
As far as shifting while standing and putting the power down goes.....good luck with that.
-Bandera
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If you really wanted Simplex retrofrictions on bar-ends, and couldn't find the Simplex model, you could always mount the downtube models that fit Campy-standard braze-ons to the Riv "silver shifter" bar end mounts, no? A bit longer levers, though.
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You still have that bike? I seem to recall you selling it! (were you talking about selling it when you moved?)

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You still have that bike? I seem to recall you selling it! (were you talking about selling it when you moved?)


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I think bar end controls are often begging to have 15-20mm of bar trimmed off for aesthetics and knee avoidance when out of the saddle on a steep hill.
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They do. Both Simplex and Shimano made them:

VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano L-600 Fingertip Control Barcons

VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano L-600 Fingertip Control Barcons
Those shifters have that counter spring that seems to simply balance the derailleur spring-with no clutch. Unlike the clutched spring action of the Simplex Retrofriction shifters and unlike the ratcheting clutched action of the Suntour Power shifters.
With no derailleur spring to counter the counter spring- the Shimano levers always return to the position above- there is nothing to hold the lever in place. Retrofriction shifters, with no cable or anything, the levers stay where you move them to. The clutch holds the lever in place.
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Edit - I just checked and Boulder Bicycle has the Diet Eubios in 26.4 (old school Cinelli diameter) only. They have some 42’s and some 44’s for 22$ each.
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Full-grip on non shifting hand. On shifting hand, I half-grip the end of the bar using my thumb and forefinger, with the knuckle under my forefinger as my main vertical support.
When moving the barcon lever “up”, I use my pinky or last two fingers. When moving the lever “down”, I push down using the lowest point of my palm (closest to my wrist). I’ve trained myself to use this procedure even when riding in the saddle.
For reference, I have suntour accushift indexed barcons on my old specialissima commuter.