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Here it is is out in some sun. Tried to focus in on the paint. Napa Green in the catalog, it actually is a pretty close match to the accent wall in my living room...

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Here it is is out in some sun. Tried to focus in on the paint. Napa Green in the catalog, it actually is a pretty close match to the accent wall in my living room...

That is a lot better. It shines out in the sunlight!
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Thereís oxidation on all the fasteners, halfway between tarnish and rust, but the paint doesnít look like it has a scratch on it. Sap, yes, but no scrapes that I can see.

I donít think Iíve seen a ďsemi glossĒ bike before either. No clear coat? Sort of an eggshell. Still needs a lot of work. 👍
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I have all the stock pieces to the bike stashed in a box and the bike is running Suntour, which is what I prefer and have on several bikes. Friction shifting of course.
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Very nice bike - congrats!

I remember the Biopace chainrings from a Trek 9xx MTB I had many years ago - thought it was a good idea and worked well.
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So Iíve put forward a couple build ideas, how have you set up yours?
Maybe I should scan through the touring rig setups thread, but what goes on tw queen of the fleet?
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Gah! Thatís the question, right?
I know I prefer suntour to Shimano. Suntour just always seem to snick into place and not need a lot of trimming. So if Suntour is the word of the hour, command shifters seem the way to go. Any thoughts on era? Iím half inclined to go with Cyclone GT, as a known performer. But I could do period correct, whatever was too of the line in Ď91 or there abouts.
One thing about shifting on the bars is that I habitually shift with my right hand. You can adjust both derailleurs at once that way. It felt clumsy having to use both hands to shift.
would I be crazy to put componenets that would have been 6 or 7 years old when the bike came out?
The more I think out loud about it, the more I like the idea of using down tube shifters and earlier components. Use the frame but build up a top of the line Ď84 Suntour tourer with it.
Use some cheap bar tape for cushioning, and go over it with Cotten, shellac and twine the ends.
Make it into an Alex Singer inspired build.
I also want to incorporate more brass to go with the saddle rails&rivits. Like the Cannondale Blike Lightning but with a touch of steampunk sprinkled in there.
Green frame and copper components. That would be something.

Any thoughts? Anyone seen anything like what Iím describing? Hammered copper fenders anyone?
So a 'dream build' thread- circa 1991... I can do that.

Keep in mind, when I built my Miyata 1000LT, I had JUST finished the 'dream resto-mod' on my Trek 720. I wanted to keep a little distance between the two, so I really tried to steer away from Suntour/Sugino/SR/DiaCompe stuff. In regards to the comparison between the 720 and the 1000LT- despite both being kings of the touring world- they're both very different bikes.

So- the biggest thing is budget constraints, beyond that, it's how "period correct" you want to be- or how much you want to 'classically modernize' it... beyond that it's how much "better" you believe parts get. With mine- A few of the parts had been swapped out- the pedals, cranks and seat post; and the brake levers were completely trashed. I think my initial idea was to take most of the stuff from DX to XT. At this point in time, the MT-60/62 Deore/Deore DX stuff sat on the level below XT- the "Ultegra" to XT's "Dura Ace," if you will. I had a 'circa 1991' M735 XT rear derailleur- but I needed a matching front- I walked into a dirt cheap M900 XTR front derailleur- that changed everything. M900 came out in 94- my bike is a 91. Close enough for government work. I scored an M900 RD- and those look really pretty. I scored a pretty inexpensive set of M730 XT cranks- polished them up and moved the rings over from the mismatched cranks and MAGIC! Got an M900-ish XTR seatpost. For a while now, I've really preferred having the bars up higher- the stem and bars on my bike are anodized black, but not in the best of shape- so I replaced the stem with a Technomic and the bars with Nitto B132s. I had to replace the brake levers- based on my experience with the TRP RRL levers, I wanted to use modern levers- I opted for IRD drilled levers. I'm pretty 'meh' about them.

About the stuff I kept: I think the DX hubs are really nice. I can't tell the difference between M732 XT cantis and the MT-62 cantis. (I will say that Iike the wide profile cantis- especially on the front- I'm still playing with the idea of putting some low profile brakes on the rear). I also ended up keeping the 7 speed cassette and bar ends. I assume those are 600 level things as well.

The only think I can recall going "backward" on is the SR SP-11 pedals- but they're awesome badass pedals that I'd put on a brand new bike.

I think the only DiaCompe parts I used were DiaCompe roller straddle yokes (I hate the cheap stock yokes).

I initially built the shifting with the old Shimano L600 friction bar end shifters- despite them being smooth, despite them being Dura Ace quality, despite their reputation as 'next best thing to Retrofriction' shifters... I really didn't dig them. They're smooth like Retrfrictions... they're bar ends. They're nice- I just didn't dig them for whatever reason- I get along with Suntour bar ends- so I swapped in the original 7 speed bar ends... I dig 'em.


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As far as what I still want to do- I'd like to see if I can swap out the cage between the XTR and XT derailleurs.
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I know I prefer suntour to Shimano. Suntour just always seem to snick into place and not need a lot of trimming. So if Suntour is the word of the hour, command shifters seem the way to go.
If you do want to go the Command Shifter route- the two ways I've done it is to go with 6 speed Accushift (with Shimano FW) or getting one of the indexing rings that turn the shifters into 10 speed Shimano shifting... In either case- you'd have to do a bunch of tweaking- either going down to 6 speed (Or taking the gamble that 7 speed Accushift works on an SIS spaced cassette), getting new derailleurs (you'd *need* an Accushift derailleur {I'd go with XC Pro or XC Comp**, and I'd have to match). Or getting all new wheels and rolling 10 speed. It's pretty cool.

I'll yap your ears off about Command Shifters...
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Sooooo, what's the Coleman? Not that I have any kind of Coleman / lantern / stove problem or anything, just asking for a friend.......
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Sooooo, what's the Coleman? Not that I have any kind of Coleman / lantern / stove problem or anything, just asking for a friend.......
Ha! Thatís a 249 scout! Good eye! I MAY have made sure to get a couple vintage non-bike things into that picture.
When I was a kid my dad had a double mantle Colman lantern he bought in the 70ís. Along with a double burner stove that folded into a briefcase sized box, and a huge cabin shaped tent we went family camping. The stove is all that made it through several family moves, and when I saw this at an antique store, well, it followed me home.
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So a 'dream build' thread- circa 1991... I can do that.

Keep in mind, when I built my Miyata 1000LT, I had JUST finished the 'dream resto-mod' on my Trek 720. I wanted to keep a little distance between the two, so I really tried to steer away from Suntour/Sugino/SR/DiaCompe stuff. In regards to the comparison between the 720 and the 1000LT- despite both being kings of the touring world- they're both very different bikes.

So- the biggest thing is budget constraints, beyond that, it's how "period correct" you want to be- or how much you want to 'classically modernize' it... beyond that it's how much "better" you believe parts get. With mine- A few of the parts had been swapped out- the pedals, cranks and seat post; and the brake levers were completely trashed. I think my initial idea was to take most of the stuff from DX to XT. At this point in time, the MT-60/62 Deore/Deore DX stuff sat on the level below XT- the "Ultegra" to XT's "Dura Ace," if you will. I had a 'circa 1991' M735 XT rear derailleur- but I needed a matching front- I walked into a dirt cheap M900 XTR front derailleur- that changed everything. M900 came out in 94- my bike is a 91. Close enough for government work. I scored an M900 RD- and those look really pretty. I scored a pretty inexpensive set of M730 XT cranks- polished them up and moved the rings over from the mismatched cranks and MAGIC! Got an M900-ish XTR seatpost. For a while now, I've really preferred having the bars up higher- the stem and bars on my bike are anodized black, but not in the best of shape- so I replaced the stem with a Technomic and the bars with Nitto B132s. I had to replace the brake levers- based on my experience with the TRP RRL levers, I wanted to use modern levers- I opted for IRD drilled levers. I'm pretty 'meh' about them.

About the stuff I kept: I think the DX hubs are really nice. I can't tell the difference between M732 XT cantis and the MT-62 cantis. (I will say that Iike the wide profile cantis- especially on the front- I'm still playing with the idea of putting some low profile brakes on the rear). I also ended up keeping the 7 speed cassette and bar ends. I assume those are 600 level things as well.

The only think I can recall going "backward" on is the SR SP-11 pedals- but they're awesome badass pedals that I'd put on a brand new bike.

I think the only DiaCompe parts I used were DiaCompe roller straddle yokes (I hate the cheap stock yokes).

I initially built the shifting with the old Shimano L600 friction bar end shifters- despite them being smooth, despite them being Dura Ace quality, despite their reputation as 'next best thing to Retrofriction' shifters... I really didn't dig them. They're smooth like Retrfrictions... they're bar ends. They're nice- I just didn't dig them for whatever reason- I get along with Suntour bar ends- so I swapped in the original 7 speed bar ends... I dig 'em.


M735 XT and M900 XTR Rear Derailleurs by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


Miyata 1000LT MT-60 Cantilever Brakes by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


1990 Miyata 1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


1990 Miyata 1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


1990 Miyata 1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr





As far as what I still want to do- I'd like to see if I can swap out the cage between the XTR and XT derailleurs.

WOW, thatís an amazing build! Itís funny you mention the brake yokes, I HATE THEM! Ha! I was surprised to see them on their. I have some nice chrome yokes Iím going to pull from my Canny ST600, and use the break away cable that came with them. Iíve also got the above derailleurs Iíve pulled off a mountain bike. Wouldíve they be an upgrade? From circa Ď95?

Alos I noticed these abundant wheel spacers? Whatís the drop out width on these? I thought the rear hub was 135mm and the drop out was too? And speaking of the frame, are the tubes a little over sized? Looks like the top tube could be 1 1/4 inches? Man, Iím more and more impressed with this frame.

So Iím going to ďkeep it stock and ride itĒ... mostly. Those yokes, and the derailleurs, Iíve got some 32mm tires to throw on there, fenders, some Celeste at tape to match the lettering on the frame... de-crud the fastener hardware and everything else.

And thereís no barrel nut adjuster on the front housing stop, and itís sized for just a ferrule. So... Iwanttodrillitout! Iíve got an adjuster, proper bits, Iíve done this kind of thing before but not on bikes... any compelling reason this is a bad idea?

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Just like this? Is there a cleaner way? This doesnít seem as bad as I thought at first.




Planet bike fenders, chosen because the crease echos the rims. A shot of the adjuster next to the hanger.

Now how how would you route the shift cables to get around a bar bag without doing the aero thing? I donít want to route them under all the bar tape unless I have no choice.


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So a 'dream build' thread- circa 1991... I can do that.

Keep in mind, when I built my Miyata 1000LT, I had JUST finished the 'dream resto-mod' on my Trek 720. I wanted to keep a little distance between the two, so I really tried to steer away from Suntour/Sugino/SR/DiaCompe stuff. In regards to the comparison between the 720 and the 1000LT- despite both being kings of the touring world- they're both very different bikes.

So- the biggest thing is budget constraints, beyond that, it's how "period correct" you want to be- or how much you want to 'classically modernize' it... beyond that it's how much "better" you believe parts get. With mine- A few of the parts had been swapped out- the pedals, cranks and seat post; and the brake levers were completely trashed. I think my initial idea was to take most of the stuff from DX to XT. At this point in time, the MT-60/62 Deore/Deore DX stuff sat on the level below XT- the "Ultegra" to XT's "Dura Ace," if you will. I had a 'circa 1991' M735 XT rear derailleur- but I needed a matching front- I walked into a dirt cheap M900 XTR front derailleur- that changed everything. M900 came out in 94- my bike is a 91. Close enough for government work. I scored an M900 RD- and those look really pretty. I scored a pretty inexpensive set of M730 XT cranks- polished them up and moved the rings over from the mismatched cranks and MAGIC! Got an M900-ish XTR seatpost. For a while now, I've really preferred having the bars up higher- the stem and bars on my bike are anodized black, but not in the best of shape- so I replaced the stem with a Technomic and the bars with Nitto B132s. I had to replace the brake levers- based on my experience with the TRP RRL levers, I wanted to use modern levers- I opted for IRD drilled levers. I'm pretty 'meh' about them.

About the stuff I kept: I think the DX hubs are really nice. I can't tell the difference between M732 XT cantis and the MT-62 cantis. (I will say that Iike the wide profile cantis- especially on the front- I'm still playing with the idea of putting some low profile brakes on the rear). I also ended up keeping the 7 speed cassette and bar ends. I assume those are 600 level things as well.

The only think I can recall going "backward" on is the SR SP-11 pedals- but they're awesome badass pedals that I'd put on a brand new bike.

I think the only DiaCompe parts I used were DiaCompe roller straddle yokes (I hate the cheap stock yokes).

I initially built the shifting with the old Shimano L600 friction bar end shifters- despite them being smooth, despite them being Dura Ace quality, despite their reputation as 'next best thing to Retrofriction' shifters... I really didn't dig them. They're smooth like Retrfrictions... they're bar ends. They're nice- I just didn't dig them for whatever reason- I get along with Suntour bar ends- so I swapped in the original 7 speed bar ends... I dig 'em.


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Miyata 1000LT MT-60 Cantilever Brakes by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


1990 Miyata 1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


1990 Miyata 1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr


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As far as what I still want to do- I'd like to see if I can swap out the cage between the XTR and XT derailleurs.
Wow, how did you polish up that crankset so nicely?
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Wow, how did you polish up that crankset so nicely?
I didn't even have to strip it- just Mother's Aluminum Polish and elbow grease. There was no clear anodizing on it. I think there were a few spots I had to sand scratches out-

I did have to strip the Avocet/Ofmega crank that I polished up.
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Great looking bike; congrats. I think green was the best color on the 1000s.
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Now how how would you route the shift cables to get around a bar bag without doing the aero thing? I donít want to route them under all the bar tape unless I have no choice.

Just like this? Is there a cleaner way? This doesnít seem as bad as I thought at first.



Here's a thread I did about this with my 720 when I was using barcons-

Front Bag with Barcons and a Rack


Having gone thru that- knowing what I know now- I'd just get some good Jagwire housing and cable and run it under the tape to the top- then do the criss/cross cable thing.

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Hi - glad to hear the plan panned out for you and you've successfully bagged a forever bike. You need to be a contributor to this thread!

Really surprising no one has snatched that one listed in Richmond. It's a bell curve size too.
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WOW, thatís an amazing build! Itís funny you mention the brake yokes, I HATE THEM! Ha! I was surprised to see them on their. I have some nice chrome yokes Iím going to pull from my Canny ST600, and use the break away cable that came with them. Iíve also got the above derailleurs Iíve pulled off a mountain bike. Wouldíve they be an upgrade? From circa Ď95?

Alos I noticed these abundant wheel spacers? Whatís the drop out width on these? I thought the rear hub was 135mm and the drop out was too? And speaking of the frame, are the tubes a little over sized? Looks like the top tube could be 1 1/4 inches? Man, Iím more and more impressed with this frame.

So Iím going to ďkeep it stock and ride itĒ... mostly. Those yokes, and the derailleurs, Iíve got some 32mm tires to throw on there, fenders, some Celeste at tape to match the lettering on the frame... de-crud the fastener hardware and everything else.

And thereís no barrel nut adjuster on the front housing stop, and itís sized for just a ferrule. So... Iwanttodrillitout! Iíve got an adjuster, proper bits, Iíve done this kind of thing before but not on bikes... any compelling reason this is a bad idea?
I'd get one of the 1" headset mounted cable hangers with the adjustable ferrule thingy. Should run you under $10, shipped. You could even find one of the Q/R hangers for around the same price.

Although the XT derailleur pictured would be an upgrade- yours are much cleaner. The LX is technically a level down from your stuff. (DX was 2nd tier under XT. LX was under XT, which at that time was under XTR- so 3rd tier) I would not switch.

I don't actually know what the frame is spaced at- my guess would be 130 as it's 7 speed- and I don't know when 135 became prevalent.

This bike should have room for 35s and fenders- I'm running that on my 720 and this has more room than that does. I haven't quite gotten around to fenders on it yet...

As far as the cable yokes... I really dig the triangular Tektro or Avid yokes. I spent months looking for the round Spooky yokes- those are for that *someday* build...


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Hi - glad to hear the plan panned out for you and you've successfully bagged a forever bike. You need to be a contributor to this thread!

Really surprising no one has snatched that one listed in Richmond. It's a bell curve size too.
The one hanging on the back of the pickup? Thatís mine, the guy hasnít taken the listing down. Which makes me wonder why he hasnít been inundated with email? After I got this one, I looked on Craigslist, and a full bike went for about the same, 300.00, and a frame went for 250.00. As in as recently as August? Theyíre out there!

I just took a drill to mine! 😱
and very happy with the results! I just hogged out the front brake cable hanger to accept a barrel adjuster for fine tuning.
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I'd get one of the 1" headset mounted cable hangers with the adjustable ferrule thingy. Should run you under $10, shipped. You could even find one of the Q/R hangers for around the same price.

Although the XT derailleur pictured would be an upgrade- yours are much cleaner. The LX is technically a level down from your stuff. (DX was 2nd tier under XT. LX was under XT, which at that time was under XTR- so 3rd tier) I would not switch.

I don't actually know what the frame is spaced at- my guess would be 130 as it's 7 speed- and I don't know when 135 became prevalent.

This bike should have room for 35s and fenders- I'm running that on my 720 and this has more room than that does. I haven't quite gotten around to fenders on it yet...

As far as the cable yokes... I really dig the triangular Tektro or Avid yokes. I spent months looking for the round Spooky yokes- those are for that *someday* build...


Straddle Cable Yokes by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr
Too late! Drilled that puppy! 😀 but I like how it came out! And Iíve decided to clean it up and ride it and improve as I go. I want to ride and enjoy this bike, not keep on the bench while I wait for parts. Iíve got fenders and a front rack to add, new cables and tape, clean up whatís their, and ride all over Chicago.

So update ate a little at a time, and not rush into replacing things that are perfectly functional.
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And thatís good to hear about the derailleurs, I got a good offer on the bike and its sold as of this afternoon. So those derailleurs are gonzo.
Iíll run the Suntour till I get a new cable pinch bolt, then go back to the stock derailleur.
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Beautiful bike, Japan has aesthetics down to a science for everything.
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Little help?

I need taller bars. The steering stem is maxed out, and itís comfortable for errands and commuting, but for a full day in the saddle I want a longer stem.

But the current stem is black anodized and ďsignedĒ Miyata. So I want something a little nicer than a technomic.
Ideally I Iíd like a take off from an all terrain bike, I bet one of those had a positive rise and the Miyata badge.
But barring that any suggestions? A dream would be to match the copper in the saddle.
Thoughts?
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