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Old 09-24-18, 01:43 PM
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What people often neglect to mention is that the period correct thing to do on an many bikes from this vintage is to remove the crappy OEM parts and replace them with something that works much better.

Say, did I hear pix or it didn't happen? @Straightblock will verify, he wrote up the invoice below:



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I've seen enough broken plastic shift levers to know that it's not a great idea to use plastic on shift levers. Or derailleurs, for that matter.
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I wouldn't want to ride a bike as old as I am. I'm a '49er, (birthday year, not age), and my oldest bike is my '64 Legnano, which I got new. That's close enough for me. Yours is beautiful for a youngster.
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Originally Posted by dddd View Post
The flexy-lever problem seems to always resolve as a problem with the cabling or sticky derailer.
I find that a properly set-up Simplex Prestige setup requires only fingertip pressure to shift, so lever flex isn't noticeable at all.
It's curious to me about the flexing levers, I'm running 2 bikes with the Simplex Criterium shifters like Andy_K's, and I've never noticed any flex in them. They just have a rubber cover over fairly stout steel.


Now, if they were Simplex Prestige shifters, they flex like crazy.
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My oldest bike is 9 years younger than I am. There are not many bikes (or cars, for that matter) from my birth year that interest me, but quite a few from the 1960s and 1970s, which I consider the golden age for road bicycles.
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...Now, if they were Simplex Prestige shifters, they flex like crazy.
You mean that they flex when you force them against the derailer's limit stop?

My plastic levers don't flex noticeably unless I force them past low gear, which I try not to do. The cabling and derailer have almost no discernable friction as compared to the lever's own adjustable friction level.
Perhaps people are setting their friction very high. I always apply as little tension as possible using the wingnuts, which makes for much faster shiftng.
I feel that unless the lever slips while climbing or sprinting, that less tension is better.
I've also noticed that lubing shift lever pivots and friction washers with oil seems to perform better in terms of lever effort vs. position retention (vs. using grease).

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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
It's curious to me about the flexing levers, I'm running 2 bikes with the Simplex Criterium shifters like Andy_K's, and I've never noticed any flex in them. They just have a rubber cover over fairly stout steel.
I can't argue with that. It's entirely possible that dddd is right about the cause. I was using the "as found" cabling, and the place where it felt flexy was when I was trying to pull it onto the big cog while gradually opening up the limit screw. I didn't give a lot of thought to what was flexing. Just knowing the reputation of this setup, I was quite uncomfortable with the idea that I could still pull a little more after hitting the limit screw. Needless to say I didn't apply a whole lot of force.
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I decided that the mystery Raleigh I bought on my 50th birthday back in June was a 1968 Super Course for the simple reason that I was born in 1968. Good enough for me.
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I can't argue with that. It's entirely possible that dddd is right about the cause. I was using the "as found" cabling, and the place where it felt flexy was when I was trying to pull it onto the big cog while gradually opening up the limit screw. I didn't give a lot of thought to what was flexing. Just knowing the reputation of this setup, I was quite uncomfortable with the idea that I could still pull a little more after hitting the limit screw. Needless to say I didn't apply a whole lot of force.
I just got this '78 Peugeot a few weeks ago. Not a fan of down tube shifters, haven't used them in 20 years. I grabbed a set of my preferred Suntour barcons before I had done 10 miles on the Pug. I will say that I really like these shifters. The barcons are still in the package on my work bench. Flex, I don't feel it, they seem pretty precise to me. This picture is as I received the bike, front cable was off because the Simplex plastic FD was broken and off the bike. I put an old Shimano Exage on, and it seems to work fine. I will probably swap to the barcons soon, but so far so good with these.
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What's the oldest bike have you ever seen?
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@Andy_K, you young whippersnappers and your fancy so-called high-techno racing bikes!

I have a vague plan of saving up and buying myself a 60-year-old bike on my 60th birthday (1960 bike in 2020, for the record). I was originally thinking Paramount, then Legnano (which is maybe not available in in 60+ cm?) then something English, then...

We'll see how I feel about it in 2 years
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What's the oldest bike have you ever seen?
Probably this one:

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Probably this one:

ah, so a bike as old as @RobbieTunes
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Nice bike! One day I'm going to build my 1959 Bottecchia. That's slightly older than I am but close enough. Won't be anytime soon though. It's a full chrome frame that needs to be refinished and rechroming ain't cheap.
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I have these on my UO-8 and they work fine, no flex. Much better than the plastic Prestige ones. Those suck.

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I just got this '78 Peugeot a few weeks ago. Not a fan of down tube shifters, haven't used them in 20 years. I grabbed a set of my preferred Suntour barcons before I had done 10 miles on the Pug. I will say that I really like these shifters. The barcons are still in the package on my work bench. Flex, I don't feel it, they seem pretty precise to me. This picture is as I received the bike, front cable was off because the Simplex plastic FD was broken and off the bike. I put an old Shimano Exage on, and it seems to work fine. I will probably swap to the barcons soon, but so far so good with these.
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Doesn't a bike that old require an adult preceding it down the road warning pedestrians that a bicycle is coming? Or was that automobiles?

That's OK, my 61st birthday is on the day of the Peoria ride.
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What's missing here is the plain fact that these particular Simplex derailleur shift like crap. The OP could save them if willing to use them for Eroica, where the object is to suffer.
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I bought an Olmo in 1971. They offered it with the delrin Simplex deraileurs or for ten bucks extra, Campy Valentinos. I paid the $10. They weren’t great either.
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Andy, you kids have it so easy. To get a bike my age, I have to go back to the 50s. If getting parts for my bikes made in the 70s is a challenge, difficutly factor for something 20 years older than that is going to be an undertaking. Bring it on!
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My '64 Legnano that I've had since new. That's about as far back as I wish to go. I was a 16 year old junior racer back in the day.
Still have it, still ride it, still love it.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
@Andy_K, you young whippersnappers and your fancy so-called high-techno racing bikes!

I have a vague plan of saving up and buying myself a 60-year-old bike on my 60th birthday (1960 bike in 2020, for the record). I was originally thinking Paramount, then Legnano (which is maybe not available in in 60+ cm?) then something English, then...

We'll see how I feel about it in 2 years
I vote Paramount, me and this one are 60 this year.

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So that's a lamp, supposedly having a flame, right under the rider's... uh, I'm not sure I have that particular brand of courage.

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Andy, you kids have it so easy. To get a bike my age, I have to go back to the 50s. If getting parts for my bikes made in the 70s is a challenge, difficutly factor for something 20 years older than that is going to be an undertaking. Bring it on!
Yeah, the nice thing about a bike that was spec'd with Simplex Prestige derailleurs and Weinmann center pull brakes is that just about any co-op or Goodwill store has the "correct" replacement components. The Zeus Competition crankset, on the other hand, I better take care of.
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I decided that the mystery Raleigh I bought on my 50th birthday back in June was a 1968 Super Course for the simple reason that I was born in 1968. Good enough for me.
i just can't argue with logic like that
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i just can't argue with logic like that
Well, based on the research I did (in as much as you can research Raleigh's of that period), it was most likely a Super Course from 1968-1970. I chose 1968.
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