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Old 09-26-18, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dddd View Post
You mean that they flex when you force them against the derailer's limit stop?

My plastic levers don't flex noticeably unless I force them past low gear, which I try not to do. The cabling and derailer have almost no discernable friction as compared to the lever's own adjustable friction level.
Perhaps people are setting their friction very high. I always apply as little tension as possible using the wingnuts, which makes for much faster shiftng.
I feel that unless the lever slips while climbing or sprinting, that less tension is better.
I've also noticed that lubing shift lever pivots and friction washers with oil seems to perform better in terms of lever effort vs. position retention (vs. using grease).
That was my experience too. I rode my old PX10 for like 10 years everyday, and never broke the plastic shift levers or the derailleurs. The levers worked fine. I always thought they might break but they didn't. Of course nowadays that delrin is about 50 years old, and I wouldn't be that confident about it.

If anyone else does some camping and hiking, you might note that all off the buckles and hardware on camping/backpacking gear is made from Delrin. It's used because it is the strongest and best polymer for the job, and it works great. In 50 years, it will be brittle too, and future C&V people will complain that old backpacks should have used metal buckles... In retrospect, it wasn't the best choice for bike parts, but it wasn't irrational either.
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If anyone else does some camping and hiking, you might note that all off the buckles and hardware on camping/backpacking gear is made from Delrin. It's used because it is the strongest and best polymer for the job, and it works great. In 50 years, it will be brittle too, and future C&V people will complain that old backpacks should have used metal buckles... In retrospect, it wasn't the best choice for bike parts, but it wasn't irrational either.
I'm not sure if they are the same plastic, but I have had old ski boots break apart like egg shells. Luckily, I found it in my basement and not in the middle of a run.
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Andy, you kids have it so easy. To get a bike my age, I have to go back to the 50s. If getting parts for my bikes made in the 70s is a challenge, difficutly factor for something 20 years older than that is going to be an undertaking. Bring it on!
That is why I lean more toward bikes that I longed for as a poor teenager or young adult. It's easier to find parts and they have twenty years of development past my birth year bikes. Also, I don't have any memories of my birth year. But to have a bike that I saw in a shop or read about in a magazine, but couldn't afford, would be really cool.
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I absolutely want a quality bike from when I was born('81). In my mind, itd be the one bike that I dont update and would keep period correct. I had a Schwinn Voyageur 11.8 for many years that was close, but not quite as it was a 1980 model.
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You scored! (But I would change out that Simplex before it self destructed and took other stuff with it. I wonder if that means that Campy hanger has French threads. If so, I'd look at finding an old Heuret derailleur. I hear they weren't bad derailleurs and quite durable/reliable. Definitely in character.)

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I couldn't rest not having resolved a question so easily answered by experiment. The dropout does indeed have standard threading, but the derailleur doesn't use those threads. Instead, there's a small bolt that goes through the derailleur hanger from the wheel side and threads into the derailleur.
Right, simplex derailleurs don't thread into the hanger and they work on a campy or modern drop out (9 mm bolt, 10 mm hole)

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and congrats on the b'day bike; which one of you need the makeover, you or the bike? Just wondering cuz the bike looks great,

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I really like the "birth year bike" idea, even though it is just a small and slightly silly bit of meaning. I got close enough for me with my built-in-'74 Grand Record. I figure there is a good chance it was sold in '75. So, conceived in '74, out in the world in '75... just like me.
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I really like this bike.

The derailleurs might assplode while you're riding, but I wouldn't worry too much. You have to at least try them. When new, a Simplex derailleur worked very well. They just didn't keep working well for as long as the others.

My Rudge's hub is stamped 1962, and my butt is stamped 1961, so that's close.
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and congrats on the b'day bike; which one of you need the makeover, you or the bike? Just wondering cuz the bike looks great,
We both look good in the right lighting. The bike has some pretty serious patina going on -- flaking chrome, paint shows signs of prior rust removal. It's not awful but it could be great. I need even more work, but when you don't have a good base to start with you just have to live with the way things are.
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Originally Posted by inkandsilver View Post
I really like the "birth year bike" idea, even though it is just a small and slightly silly bit of meaning. I got close enough for me with my built-in-'74 Grand Record. I figure there is a good chance it was sold in '75. So, conceived in '74, out in the world in '75... just like me.
Yeah, it's hard to be sure of anything sometimes. According to Sheldon's info on serial number decoding this one was built in 1967, but it's a solid match for the Competition in the 1969 catalog, and I can't find any evidence that it even might be something else, apart from the serial number. Nothing in the 1967 catalog has chrome where this one does, and '69 looks like the first year they called anything a Competition. Who knows?
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My Rudge's hub is stamped 1962, and my butt is stamped 1961, so that's close.
Well, there's a visual I didn't need.
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Well, there's a visual I didn't need.
I meant belly button.
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1953 Raleigh

Not quite my age (I was born in 1950) but this is my 1952 (Raleigh) Lenton Sports club bike which I’ve had for about forty years. The original poster brought back fond memories as I was a Raleigh dealer back then and the Competition was absolutely my favorite Raleigh of all time. I just loved the black paint with the chrome lugs. The Simplex derailleur wasn’t high end, but it was light, reasonably durable, and shifted well compared to the stuff they were putting on their low end bikes.

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Sorry... it won’t let me post a picture...
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I meant belly button.
Not quite sure how much better that is...

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Sorry... it won’t let me post a picture...
Go say hello to some folks in the Introductions section to boost your post count. Then come back and show us your bike.
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Congratulations

Congrats on the "new" old bike. (I'll have to find one from 1947 to keep up with you.) Also, I love the vintage Raleighs.
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A Huret Jubilee would be sweet on that. Nice find and great price.
The Jubilee would be a great choice, since that's what the Competition came with in the mid '70s. Nice find.
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Oh, another pretty looking Raleigh popped up on Craigslist. Like the baby brother to yours.

You might have to make another trip down to Eugene to keep that one company.

Raleigh Super Course 56cm Chrome Frame"Racing USA" Brooks Swift Saddle - $299 (Eugene)

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Originally Posted by noglider View Post

My Rudge's hub is stamped 1962, and my butt is stamped 1961, so that's close.
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I was kind of just skimming thru- saw Tom's post, saw Tom's post was quoted... and then saw the "won't let me post a picture" and ... EEWWWWW.

Whew! Different subject; crisis averted.
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It's nearly winter. My cyclocross season just ended. I'm riding my rain bike to work these days. Time to update this thread to keep my spirits up.

I took the Competition out for its inaugural ride almost a month ago, but I took a while to get around to uploading pictures. Here's the current build.



I really tried to talk myself into keeping it original for at least a little while, but I couldn't get the Simplex rear derailleur to shift even tolerably well with a 28T cog on the freewheel. I think something may have been broken on it. I also needed a triple if I'm going to ride this for anything other than the Neal Lerner Invitational route, so I went ahead with that. The bike had ancient tubulars on it when I bought it. I'm not sure if tubbies were part of the original spec, but this just doesn't feel like that kind of bike. I had a nice set of 27" clincher wheels in the garage, so I used those. The original stem and bars gave me way too much reach, so those had to go. I bought it with no saddle or seatpost, so those are new. And, of course, I hate toe clips, so that had to change.

So, not very original at all, but I really think I was able to keep it in the spirit of the original. My mental theme was, what kind of changes might the original owner have made while using this as a regular rider. I think I hit that mark.

Here's my build spec:

Shifters: Simplex Criterium (original)
Crankset: Specialized "flag" triple, 46-39-24 (L'Eroica ready gearing!)
Front derailleur: Raliegh branded SunTour Compe V
Rear derailleur: Raleigh branded SunTour V-GT Luxe
Brakes: Weinmann Vainqeur Red Label (original)
Brake Levers: Weinmann (original) with Rustine gum hoods
Rims: 27" Mavic Module E
Tires: Panaracer Pasela
Hubs: Specialized low flange 36h
Saddle: Brooks B17 Pre-Aged
Pedals: Crank Brothers Egg Beater (first generation)
Stem: Soma Sutro
Handlebars: Soma HWY One







I'm still not quite sure what I think of the saddle/bar tape mismatch.
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Lovely, like all yours, @Andy_K !

Good luck with the bar tape color. Maybe my design consultant, @RiddleOfSteel , will have some useful suggestions.
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And with the cold, but dry days lately, maybe a few more commute runs are in line.
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Good luck with the bar tape color. Maybe my design consultant, @RiddleOfSteel , will have some useful suggestions.
I would certainly value his opinion (as long as he doesn't tell me to install big old whitewalls like he had on his Paramount).
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Andy,

Nicely done and I think you kept the spirit and period of the bike with your mild upgrades.

Did you repaint the frame?

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