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ElliotSF 10-12-18 10:31 PM

"If you could afford a quality modern bike, would you choose it over a quality classic bike?"

No. I'll stick with my 1969 Raleigh Competition with Reynolds 531 frame and chrome Nervex lugs. That bike, to me, is just right.

Rollfast 10-12-18 10:42 PM

Fenders and tanks, people, fat ones.

curbtender 10-12-18 11:13 PM

Funny how evolution leaves behind what it doesn't need and we keep pulling it out of the garbage...

phtomita 10-13-18 12:36 AM

I got to biking last year to try a double century here in PNW. Got an ok aluminum with all Sora and got a fit with a local bike shop. Super nice guy that rides a lot himself and owns its own shop.
I learned a ton with him about steel, aluminum, carbon and the style of riding I would be doing from what we talked. Nutrition, hydration, cadence than speed, safety and so on.
Got my saddle from his store and have my handlebar switched to narrower one at 38cm.
After couple of visits he suggested me a steel frame - I always had an idea that steel is heavy, period.
Fast forward, beginning of this year I as looking CL and scored my Nishiki. After bunch of questions to and opinions from this forum, Sheldon Brown, youtube, I went ahead to replace all to modern parts (105).
Had my bike shop to do the final tuning and handlebar, and all in all was a great experience.
Next, I am planning on re-building the Sekai with modern comps too. I did clean and tune with the original comps, downtube shifters, but it is not working for me.

Rollfast 10-13-18 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by curbtender (Post 20614028)
Funny how evolution leaves behind what it doesn't need and we keep pulling it out of the garbage...

Those guys are building some wicked bikes.

Stadjer 10-13-18 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 20612252)
For all the time I've had bikes- I had 6 speeds in the rear. I figured I had no need for any more than that.

Then I did a 10 speed upgrade. **** that 6 speed bull****.

No, for me not really. With 10 or 21 gears I feel I'm in the wrong gear much more often. With 5 gears you have to adapt a little to gear you're in or available and I don't mind that. Don't particularly like close index shifters either.


I would tend to believe that things that are more complicated are more prone to problems. However, based on the anecdotal evidence from people that I "know" on this forum- I believe a lot of the reliability and durability issues that get brought up are exaggerated as excuses (or even boogeymen) to stick with "vintage." The very real advantages of exponentially better braking and ease in pedaling make biking safer, easier and more enjoyable.
Disc brakes for road bikes is an improvement, I'll give you that. But my drum brakes are strong enough to lock the wheels, so there's not really a margin for gain. Mechanical drag has already been minimized many decades ago, I don't believe modern ball bearings are better. Aluminium and carbon are probably less safe.

Of course if you are competing all the marginal gains in road bikes do count, but they still are marginal and most of them about weight which only really counts when it's pretty hilly. I think people tend to underestimate the degree to which the bike had already developped decades ago because of the (commercially important) idea that new is better. Especially the roadsters have made little progress since the 1930's. Mine is build to last, and it does, I've got a simular bike from the same brand that's only 10 years old but it was already in worse shape than my 40-year old before I did some work on the latter. I could buy a modern one that is build really well, there is brand that does again, and I'd like the very fat tyres and the rigid frames, but it wouldn't have rodbrakes but cables which is just not very practical in busy bike racks. If there was a modern bike with rod brakes (titanium rods?) I would be tempted.

jethin 10-13-18 10:43 AM

Sadly I didn’t have a choice. I was a normal guy when I was bitten by a rabid vintage Lupo bicycle. Since then I just howl at the moon like all of these other poor lost souls.

Hummer 10-13-18 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 20610746)
For me, I am addicted to "the find"! Finding a cool old road bike or even one not so cool is cool, for me. I liken it to drug addict getting his or her next fix. Fix...
. . .

I have the same attraction (possibly addiction).

Also environmental concerns. Fixing an old bicycle so that a new one does not need to be manufactured. Saving the planet one bicycle at a time. I am pretty sure it's working, I'll be putting Giant out of business in no time.

madpogue 10-13-18 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by iab (Post 20613944)
Bull****.

Let's see one of your watchmakers put pretty much every piece of information in the world in the palm of your hand instead of just a clock. And I'm guessing you, like most everyone else in this world, don't want to pay for the manual pride of craftsmanship you lament.

My watch is on my wrist; it's hands-free. I pay for it once (well, once every several years, depending on how long it lasts), not monthly. The battery will never die, it'll never catch fire, and it works in the deepest ravine in my woods.

PilotFishBob 10-13-18 06:09 PM

Hmmm. Waiting for the OP to suddenly reveal that he/she is a psychology student gathering info on obsessive/compulsive behavioristic tendencies. Of all that's been posted so far, mind you, I'm squarely in that bracket of interest...

Fahrenheit531 10-13-18 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 20613844)
...a bicycle that has the silhouette of a dog pooping.

Pure poetry. This will stay with me forever.

:roflmao2:

McBTC 10-13-18 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by raria (Post 20608476)
...help me understand






...

It's a bit like professionals in the digital era who have a fascination with old, expensive mechanical Swiss watches... sort of keeping a foot in reality as an anecdote to the subjectivity of human existence in an abstract world...

Jeff Wills 10-13-18 11:09 PM

I like it here because I had a career in the bike business from the '70's into the '90's. Things really transitioned from steel to aluminum and carbon fiber, friction to index, road to mountain bikes. It was a heady period when lots of things were being tried... most failed, of course. I learned a lot and every once in a while I get to dust off old memories and share them with you kids.

My garage now holds 3 recumbents, 2 Schwinn fillet-brazed uprights, and an off-brand mountain bike converted to a cargo bike. Specialization is for insects.

iab 10-14-18 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by madpogue (Post 20614895)
My watch is on my wrist; it's hands-free. I pay for it once (well, once every several years, depending on how long it lasts), not monthly. The battery will never die, it'll never catch fire, and it works in the deepest ravine in my woods.

Did your watch enable you to post your reply?

:)

Mogens 10-14-18 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by raria (Post 20612330)
If you could afford a quality modern bike, would you choose it over a quality classic bike?

I suspect that most people here could afford a quality modern bike, I know that I could. And I’ve thought about it. I rode my first century in September and I did feel a bit disadvantaged. Largely because of the gearing on my bike, which I think I can fix with a different crankset. I’m wondering if a modern drive train would make a big difference. But buying a vintage bike has allowed me to test the waters and learn more about what I like and what I need. I think that in a couple of years I’ll be ready to build something that will be informed by this experience. I’m definitely someone who would rather buy the quality thing that’s sitting on the shelf at the thrift shop for $5 rather than buy the brand new plastic thing that costs more for a whole host of reasons starting with better quality of manufacture and ending with lower environmental impact. I think that if I’d bought a mid priced “beginner” road bike last June that I’d have learned and appreciated less.

madpogue 10-14-18 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by iab (Post 20615406)
Did your watch enable you to post your reply?

:)

No, and neither does my phone. When I look at how so many forum posts and Emails sent from phones are so badly composed, and polluted with ads, I'm glad to post only from a computer.

curbtender 10-14-18 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by iab (Post 20615406)
Did your watch enable you to post your reply?

:)

Now there is evolution. The physics of electricity turned into a vacuum tube, into a transistor...

Rollfast 10-14-18 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by raria (Post 20608476)
I get what everyone is doing here (buying and restoring classic bikes). But help me understand why for my own benefit. If it helps I restore vintage cars.

Is it that:

a) Its a nostalgia thing. Many of us car lovers buy cars we loved as 18 year olds but couldn't afford!
b) The bikes back then were very different than they are now. For example, the styling and space of some muscle cars have not been produced since.
c) The rarity of the bikes make them prize worthy? 1967 Shelby Gt500 routinely sell over $1M.
d) The joy of getting something to work? I restored an old Mustang and it was the closest thing a man can get to giving birth!
e) Something else?

f) If you have to think about it, you may never get it. Just Ride It.

Drillium Dude 10-14-18 10:46 PM

I haven't got anything for ya; I'm still trying to understand this forum :)

DD

RiddleOfSteel 10-14-18 11:24 PM

The original question is baffling to me, honestly. It's like asking "Can you please explain to me why men are attracted to beautiful women?"

And then you list reasons...

Well....if you need it explained to you...

3alarmer 10-15-18 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by iab (Post 20615406)
Did your watch enable you to post your reply?

:)


Originally Posted by madpogue (Post 20615569)
No, and neither does my phone. When I look at how so many forum posts and Emails sent from phones are so badly composed, and polluted with ads, I'm glad to post only from a computer.


....them damn Samsung smart phones assplode like plastic carbon fiber bikes. I'm using a flip phone to protect my 'nads.

KonAaron Snake 10-15-18 08:58 AM

I'm mostly in it for the chicks. Women just love a middle aged guy in spandex on an Italian bike. I start talking about the difference between lugs, and tubing, and they can't get enough.

Many of us like older and newer bikes.

madpogue 10-15-18 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 20617021)
I'm using a flip phone to protect my 'nads.

I have a flip-phone, but I honestly never thought of using it that way....


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 20617028)
I'm mostly in it for the chicks. Women just love a middle aged guy in spandex on an Italian bike. I start talking about the difference between lugs, and tubing, and they can't get enough.

:roflmao: See that's another reason I'm in it, for the endless humor on this forum.....

stardognine 10-15-18 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 20617021)
....them damn Samsung smart phones assplode like plastic carbon fiber bikes. I'm using a flip phone to protect my 'nads.

This is very perceptive of you. Thanks for enlightening us. 😉

jotog 10-15-18 12:27 PM

C because it's a bike


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