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Old 10-24-18, 08:13 PM
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Takara 12 speed flood bike

I need a winter bike to replace last years that I sold this spring. I saw an ad for a Takara for $64





I saw it had rear dropout bolts, QR wheels and down tube shifting (actually bolt on shifters). I emailed the seller but she replied it had just been destroyed in a flood! How could a bike be destroyed by a flood? She offered it for free and said I'd be over.

I had to drive along a small creek to get there but the creek was down a steep embankment. Just before their home I came accross a small bridge over that creek and that bridge was closed due to damage.



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At their home I saw that their 500 gallon propane tanks had smashed through the garage doors and then through the rear of the garage and the yard was covered in mud and trees and other debris. The seller advised the wall of water and mud was chest deep when it came through across their yard. The Takara was jammed between a shed and a tree and I assumed it was destroyed but I thought I might get some components. The seller had to use a Bobcat to lift a corner of the shed and I removed the bike. It was covered in mud. They did not want any money as they were just about to throw the bike out. I didn't think it appropriate to take photos there but I did get one photo. I thought the plastic bag under the seat might contain goodies (like an inner tube) but it was just a bag of garbage.



I brought the bike home and stripped it that night. The hubs were filled with clay as was most of the head tube. The seat tube was almost completely filled. I removed the BB and it was jammed with mud.



I had never seen a bike with that much dirt inside it. The RD was simply filled with mud and so I dismantled it and regreased and oiled it. I had a hel l of a time rebuilding it and had to post here to get help with the reassembly. I stripped off all parts and hand washed them, followed with a bath in the ultra sonic cleaner. Most of the components were in great shape, including the brake pads but there was mud inside the shifter and the mud filled the back of the freewheel and that was very hard to get clean. The RD was a Suntour AR-GT long cage which is a nice extra.

The white paint is simply primer I daubed on to protect the bare steel where the bike was scraped.

Serial number is JS408970
80 and it was made in Japan













One thing that has always irked me about frames of this level is the ones I see usually have only one set of bosses. This frame has only a single set of screw holes and they aren't very neat.




Depending on how things go, I may have Andy Stewart add a couple more water bottle bosses and possibly shifter bosses. The paint is really bad and so no real loss if I add extra bosses and I had been wanting a bike in British Racing Green so I forsee powder coating.

Based on similarities of paint and lug work, I wonder if the Takara frames were built in the same plant that build Nishiki's?

Anyway I may try to install a triple cranks and use the Suntour AR-GT long cage to make up an 18 speed hill climber.......
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That's a heck of a story; looking forward to seeing the build.
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You did good so far. That a lot of muck in those places. The big question is how much mud and muck got into the frame tubes, can you wash it out and will there be lasting effects? Aside from nicks and scrapes the frame look Ok on the outside. It looks like someone cut the water bottle cage off the bosses. If your getting the torch out, then these can be replaced. Keep us posted. Pictures are always good.

Gotta like the price and the story that goes with it. If it turns out to be a keeper, this will make it more interesting.
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Neat. Great story. And Takara did a good job, I think, of putting together decent bikes. I had a small Takara with a complete alpha 5000 group that my daughter rejected. Looks like someone took a file to those bottle bosses. No Biggee. I'd put off having Mr. Stewart brazing and painting until you ride it some. It looks great.
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Wow do not mess with mother nature, you are doing a good thing saving this bike @WGB !
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The subject bicycle appears to be a 1985 Takara Tribute (aka model 580). It was manufactured in October 1984 by an unidentified Japanese company who also manufactured for Bianchi and Miele during this period. The main triangle is seamed, double butted CrMo but the stays and forks are hi-tensile steel.

Regarding bottle bosses, dual sets were just starting to become popular in 1985 and were restricted to high end models. A single set was part of the cost concessions to hit the $250 US target price. During this era, adding bottle mounts was a popular upgrade and there were pop rivet style bosses that could be easily be added by the LBS.
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You know, when you get this bike all sorted out and restored, you absolutely must take it back to the woman you got it from. After the catastrophe she suffered, I'm sure seeing this bike in pristine condition will bring a smile to her face and give her some hope as well.

Nice job.
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I feel bad for the folks who were flooded that way. I'm glad you were willing and able to put the work into this bike. Are you going to keep it as a geared bike? For some reason, I'm picturing an SS/FG conversion.
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Nice to stumble on a deal and yes, it's way out there as stories go.

Missing details, it was his bike and he just wanted to trash it before the flood. She thought someone would pay $50 for it and after the flood they just wanted it gone. Husband was amused I had driven out to get it.

Giacomo - This is their second flood and he didn't seem fazed (well he had a few drink inside of him when i showed up that might have took the edge off). Might get back there and show it to them after it's built up.

Noglider - No fixie! I need gears as my knees are shot, besides I'd like it as it was (plus an extra bottle holder or two and a triple set up front if I can get one that will work).

T-Mar as always I wonder how you could know all this! Are you a member of the Illuminati? In a previous life did you run the Skunk Works for Lockheed? Is there a secret rule that no one can make a bike without providing you all the inside information?

And yes, I will post a rideable build post when it's up and about. I'd like to see how it looks before I start adding the brazeons and the powder coat but I think/hope it will be a very nice ride.

Last photo is one that I forgot to add of the forks . I like how the fork was stamped Tange 4. Please excuse the mud that was on forks when I pulled it as photo'd pre cleaning.
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Nice find. I'm totally digging the idea of it's new life in British Racing Green.
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The 4.I on the forks indicate that was manufactured in September 1984, which dovetails nicely with the October 1984 date of the frame serial number.

As for the source of my cycling knowledge, you'll just to have to sit tight for another week. Then you can ask all the questions you want.
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As for the source of my cycling knowledge, you'll just to have to sit tight for another week. Then you can ask all the questions you want.
You sir are a true international man of mystery - or the DosequI guy, "the most interesting man on the world". My guess is, you were a bike smuggler for an international bicycle theft syndicate. Or the brains in a cycling cartel. Dark stuff, like black marketing Schwinns to the Soviet Union and East Germany and selling Campy technology to Shimano. U probably did some hard time for cycling espionage. Yeah, bad stuff. But now you work for the CIA/FBI/NSA cracking bike smuggling cases.

Statute of limitations must be up, so your coming clean. Can't wait!
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Giacomo 1 - I met with T-Mar and we talked bikes for 5 hours, sort of having Einstein teaching physics to a chimp with me of course acting the part of the chimp. Very pateint man. We definitely need a post on here where people who know the man don't say what he really is and the rest of us mortals have to guess...

Since the last post I discovered the frame was bent when the shed was pushed off the foundation and jammed the bike against the tree. Based on very good advice from T-Mar I was able to bring it back a half an inch. Hopefully, I have it straight enough.

I was concerned about the frame having been bent first by nature then by the chimp (myself) and rather than mail it to Andy Stewart and then find out it was wrecked and have wasted time and money packing and shipping, I seached for a local frame builder and discovered Jester Hand Built Bicycles in Welland (about 15 minutes from my door). Jody, the owner installed two bosses to allow a second bottle cage, a set of down tube shifter bosses and a pump peg for $50 Canadian (about $37US) and that was labour and the bosses!






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Holy **** that's a lot of time, effort, resources , and money to throw at a sub $300 bike that you have no personal connection to that was in a ****ing flood and filled with ****. Literally ****.
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My Takara Experience

I wish you luck, sir.
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I wish you luck, sir.
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the Golden Boy - I assume based on your avatar you were a paratrooper? If so that might explain your lack of respect for the finer things.

Seriously, this bike cost me a half-hour drive each way (I thought I was getting a cheap winter bike - we use salt and sand here and with the freeze/thaw cycles it eats bikes). $50CDN for the brazeons, I expect another $70US for the paint job. I have a Brooks B17 sitting lonely as we speak and pretty much all the parts it will need including a couple of Pletscher racks to choose from, (excepting a triple crank) so now I will have a hill climbing/local touring bike for under $200.

I see an old listing on the Forums for a Tribute that someone in Milwaukee, WI paid $170 for back in 2014. I checked Milwaukee CI and found a Super Letour for $125US, a Raleigh Grand Prix for $125US and then a Miyata 110 for $225US. There is a Trek 414 but it has one (1) water bottle attachment and that is clamped on and they want $295US! Not really that much better than I'd get here. I live near the great Republic of Toronto. Toronto is about an hour away and it's hell traffic. Please check Toronto CL and Kijiji for prices on anything bike related. Deals here vanish before you get there.

I also liked the challenge and the back story. This year I had an ALAN that I paid $450CDN for and a Eatons (think Sears) Cobra that cost $4. I enjoyed the Cobra more than the ALAN. I am retired and can work on the Takara over the winter when I get bored. So far in this saga I have straightened a frame the mechanics wouldn't touch and if it hadn't survived, well I would have been out the drive to get the bike and now I am not afraid to try and straighten another. I met a cool guy who builds frames and does very reasonably priced work and every bike I work on, I feel more confident.

Fahrenheit531 - I think/I hope I am passed the luck stage. I think all I need is a better experience when I ride it than you had with your 940 and if not, well I expect I will sell it on for more than I will have into it.....
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Believe it or not, the new Takara bikes aren't as good as the old ones.
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the Golden Boy - I assume based on your avatar you were a paratrooper? If so that might explain your lack of respect for the finer things.

Seriously, this bike cost me a half-hour drive each way (I thought I was getting a cheap winter bike - we use salt and sand here and with the freeze/thaw cycles it eats bikes). $50CDN for the brazeons, I expect another $70US for the paint job. I have a Brooks B17 sitting lonely as we speak and pretty much all the parts it will need including a couple of Pletscher racks to choose from, (excepting a triple crank) so now I will have a hill climbing/local touring bike for under $200.

I see an old listing on the Forums for a Tribute that someone in Milwaukee, WI paid $170 for back in 2014. I checked Milwaukee CI and found a Super Letour for $125US, a Raleigh Grand Prix for $125US and then a Miyata 110 for $225US. There is a Trek 414 but it has one (1) water bottle attachment and that is clamped on and they want $295US! Not really that much better than I'd get here. I live near the great Republic of Toronto. Toronto is about an hour away and it's hell traffic. Please check Toronto CL and Kijiji for prices on anything bike related. Deals here vanish before you get there.

I also liked the challenge and the back story. This year I had an ALAN that I paid $450CDN for and a Eatons (think Sears) Cobra that cost $4. I enjoyed the Cobra more than the ALAN. I am retired and can work on the Takara over the winter when I get bored. So far in this saga I have straightened a frame the mechanics wouldn't touch and if it hadn't survived, well I would have been out the drive to get the bike and now I am not afraid to try and straighten another. I met a cool guy who builds frames and does very reasonably priced work and every bike I work on, I feel more confident.
I respect fine things fine. I also respect things that aren't so fine, but I like to be able to recognize things for what they are.

I'm sorry if this is coming across as disrespectful- it's simply a whole bunch of bad ideas from the very get-go.

In threads where someone were to be dropping $200 into a Varsity or Continental- you have people saying "just grease it up and ride it." It's not disrespectful to state a truth. Dropping money into a low end bike much beyond getting it running is a fool's errand.

I understand things aren't always about the value- and the amount of money you put into something isn't necessarily reflected in the value of the item- it's what it's worth to you. If this were your bike that you had memories or attachments to... the bike is worth more than just being a bike. This is a bike you hadn't seen, and I assume you didn't even know existed until this fall.

This is a low end bike- made with seamed CrMo main tubes with hi-ten fork and stays... It's very foundation is made with low end tubing for the mid 80s.

But this is a bike that was submerged in a flood. On a farm. The tubes were filled with filth. If it was on a farm- it was literally ****- and who knows what else. Did you get all that filth out of the tubes and stays? Out of the stays through those tiny gas weep holes? If you didn't get ALL the filth out- what organisms are living and growing in the filth that didn't get washed out of the tubes? How long was the bike submerged? How much oxidation and corrosion started and is still there... eating the unprotected steel inside the tubes?

It's bent. You bent it back. It's been bent twice. Bike frames shouldn't even be bent once.

Takara is a somewhat recognizable name to some bike people- but not to the general public and even to bike people the name isn't particularly prestigious.

It doesn't have the braze ons you're looking for. You're paying to add them to a bent, low end bike that was in a flood and filled with ****.

You're going to pay to paint a bent, low end bike that was in a flood and filled with ****.

In addition to all the money you're paying for other people to do stuff and things you're putting on the frame- there's the cost of your time, your gas driving it here and there and your labor...

When all is said and done, imagine you had the same Takara in mint shape that you added bottle bosses and a pump peg to and gave it a nice paint job. You've got a $100 bike. If you choose to sell YOUR bike- you'd be a dick if you didn't disclose that the bike was in a flood (and filled with ****) bent and straightened. No one in their right mind would buy it. It's a low end bike that was in a flood, bent and straightened and filled with ****.

I've thrown money at low end bikes- in my case it was a Raleigh Sprite that I spent more time than money on (and learned a lot from) and a 2nd from the bottom Trek 400; but I looked for that for months and it has 531 main tubes with CrMo stays and fork- brazed by Tange in Japan with Trek lugs, with 2 bottle mounts, a pump peg, shifter braze ons, rack and fender mounts, under the BB cable routing, and beautifully painted with Imron paint in Waterloo WI. I paid too much for it at the time- I think $225... and even built up like it is now with Class A & B parts, I'd probably have a hard time moving it for $300- certainly not anywhere near what I have into it- even just for the cost of parts (my guess is around $900- in parts alone)- it's just a Trek 400. And it wasn't bent, in a flood, and filled with ****.

I'm not saying it has to be a family heirloom, can't have repaired damage or that it needs to be a prestigious tube set, or made by a heralded builder or even meet all your needs... The whole "being in a flood on a farm" takes it out of contention right off the bat. Any other point is moot after that, but pretty much everything else is a deal breaker as well...

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or rude- just somewhat realistic.
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You did good so far. That a lot of muck in those places. The big question is how much mud and muck got into the frame tubes, can you wash it out and will there be lasting effects? Aside from nicks and scrapes the frame look Ok on the outside. It looks like someone cut the water bottle cage off the bosses. If your getting the torch out, then these can be replaced. Keep us posted. Pictures are always good.

Gotta like the price and the story that goes with it. If it turns out to be a keeper, this will make it more interesting.
I assume there are big enough holes to get the mud and muck out of the main tubes. Power Washer?

Wash them well. Any residual grime could well cause rusting. Perhaps also try "Frame Saver", or a similar treatment after you've scrubbed.

I'd worry about the smaller tubes. Fork and seatstays. Maybe the chainstays (but you should have access to those).

But, those little tubes, that often have a tiny vent/drain hole.
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Don't worry about Golden Child. I dump $dollars$ into dead end basket cases where even I question my own judgement. It's not about the bike. The bike is the reward. I get it. A proper powder coat or paint job & it'll be a real beauty with a great story.

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The Golden Boy - it was not on a farm. They were a retired couple who lived on an acre and the flood came down a narrow valley so it's wood and clay and forest debris but no fecal matter! Having said that, after I read your comments I thought "Is it possible that something nasty could have got in there?" Since the answer is "yes", I added a shot of pool chlorine in all holes.


You are right, I am pouring too much into this frame but I weigh 275 which is way too much for the nice bikes and so I look elsewhere. I am 56 and retired and don't plan to race, nor really tour. I get out, I ride and I work on bikes, most of them go to donations so someone else gets to ride my work. Eighteen months ago when I got into this, I had changed one (1) tire in my life and frankly if a bike need work I paid someone whatever they asked to fix it or I just threw it out.


Anyway, I wanted a winter rider and if the Takara had been "flood free" it would have fit the bill perfectly. But I got side tracked when I got the bike for free because the paint was peeled by the shed rubbing it against the tree. If I had known the frame was bent when I saw it, I would have stripped the parts and walked away. I had no idea the frame was off as much as it was and then after the mechanics walked away i was about to trash it and T-Mar suggested I try and straighten it and it worked. After getting it and cleaning it and then straightening the frame, I had two choices clean it and ride with no paint (instant rust) or clean it and powder coat it for $70. Then I thought why not add water bottle bosses and pretty soon I'd ordered extra. If I had stopped at either a rattle can touch up or even the powder coating it might have made sense but probably the $50 for bosses and whatever I pay for the triple crankset I plan on will bring me to close to what I can get for it (less as you note my time). I expect it would sell around here for $300CDN when painted. It was simply one thing after another and it has been a learning experience.


Again, everything you say makes sense and I don't know why I didn't give up, but now i haven't, I can't see quitting at this point.


Ps: I agree as you can see with most of what you say and I never saw your points as negative. Sometimes on the Forums people get emotional and talk trash about the other people posting and you were in no way rude.


noglider - I like Takaras and Fuji's and everyone thinks I am crazy, though they seem to forgive the Fujis...


base2 - It better be a great story and a great ride or I am going to be raving!!!


Clifford K - Prior to painting, I was advised to put in a shot of frame saver into the forks and then tap in a piece of brazing rod and file smooth to prevent anything getting in. I will spray the inside of the remainder of the frame after the powder coating is done.
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You are right, I am pouring too much into this frame but I weigh 275 which is way too much for the nice bikes and so I look elsewhere. I am 56 and retired and don't plan to race, nor really tour. I get out, I ride and I work on bikes, most of them go to donations so someone else gets to ride my work. Eighteen months ago when I got into this, I had changed one (1) tire in my life and frankly if a bike need work I paid someone whatever they asked to fix it or I just threw it out.

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Good work overall and especially the learning! I certainly know about throwing time and $$ at a project ...down the rabbit hole I go

But really don't limit yourself from nice bikes because of your weight. The beauty of C&V steel bikes with 32 hole or more spoke wheels, is that they work great bof big guys.

I road my miyata 1400 at 280 or so

Down a bit to 255 and ride a de rosa and team miyata (and a couple of more)

Enjoy this one, and start a fund for the next nice one
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