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Old 10-25-18, 08:51 AM
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Falcon bike question

Curious about Falcon bikes - I've never seen many around and then saw photos of one for sale. Looks like they were made in the 70's. Any thoughts on dating this one.




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This one is right from the peak of the boom, as the Campagnolo Velox rear derailleur was only produced during 1972-1974.
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What's the difference between the Velox and the Valentino?
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There's a similar one on vancouver cl, but asking for more. Same components, looks like. Isn't the Velox #2 from the bottom end at the time? The one in Vancouver claims to be 531. The headbadge looks lovely though.
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Falcon, Viking, Holdsworth, Witcomb, all big names in English cycling in the 1960's. All sponsored racing teams. Their bikes, even the low end Falcon you pictured, looked similar to the top of the line racing machines. Though I wasnt there, reading of cycling in England in the 60's, tells of a vibrant cycling culture.
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During the early 70's when Falcons were coming into the US, the low end through mid range Falcon bikes made French bike boom bikes look good!

They made some top end Ernie Clements models that were all Reynolds 531/Campagnolo and were quite nice for the time.

I wouldn't let a bike with Valentino derailleurs into our shop! Not for snobbish reasons but because most of those bikes needed everything gone over. They had really poor cables that needed to be replaced all around, poor quality brakes and so on. By the time we got one of those bikes working properly and safe to ride, for $25 more I could sell the customer a new Bertin ready to go.

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Thanks Chas. Wasn't even curious about it being a high end bike so much as I was in the color scheme. I have had thoughts of finding a Falcon bike and painting it a turquoise/white scheme to resemble my 65 Ford Falcon and then have the two at car shows - sort of like my two hobbies showing together. Components can always be changed.
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Scot,

Here's one of the Falcon Ernie Clements San Remo model 76 bikes I mentioned... in turquoise and white no less!

Falcon Ernie Clements, Campanolo

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Originally Posted by scozim View Post
I have had thoughts of finding a Falcon bike and painting it a turquoise/white scheme to resemble my 65 Ford Falcon and then have the two at car shows - sort of like my two hobbies showing together.
I had a 1965 Ford Falcon Futura hardtop with the 289 4bbl and factory 4-speed, in Turquoise. Bought it in '85 for $800. Wish I still had it, it was a great car, all original interior. Show some pics of yours.
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It took great patience (two years) and $25.00 and to finally get this near mint Falcon. A pretty bike, to say the least, but what a pig in the handling department. Generally, I do not come out and criticize a bike so bluntly, but that Falcon rode like a truck...

Until I dumped the steel hoops, in favor of some alloy units. What a dramatic improvement...


And, yes, my bike was Reynolds 531 straight gauge, as I recall...
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
What's the difference between the Velox and the Valentino?
Primarily a chrome finish on the Velox.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
What's the difference between the Velox and the Valentino?
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Primarily a chrome finish on the Velox.
Velox was Campagnolo's entry level derailleur, below even the Valentino Extra. Initially, it appears similar to the Valentino Extra but has two significant design differences. First, the parallelogram is shorter. Second, the jockey wheel is mounted co-axially with the cage pivot. Aesthetically, it is similar tot the Valentino Extra but from a design perspective, it's a copy of the Huret Svelto.
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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
I had a 1965 Ford Falcon Futura hardtop with the 289 4bbl and factory 4-speed, in Turquoise. Bought it in '85 for $800. Wish I still had it, it was a great car, all original interior. Show some pics of yours.
You asked The two different looks. The 289 is getting a rebuild right now as it had a balance issue. Will be painted original colors but massaged on the inside with a 331 stroker kit.


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Curious about Falcon bikes - I've never seen many around and then saw photos of one for sale. Looks like they were made in the 70's. Any thoughts on dating this one.
I personally prefer to date humans, but TETO. As for the blue Falcon, lookin' good!
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I personally prefer to date humans...
A bicycle never says "no".
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A bicycle never says "no".
As I very well know from experience...
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I thought those Ford Falcons on ly looked good in red, WOW, I got learned!

Sweet lookin’ machine!
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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
During the early 70's when Falcons were coming into the US, the low end through mid range Falcon bikes made French bike boom bikes look good!
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I won't disagree with you. Falcon had three frame levels and through a mix of components created many different price points for a catalogue of bikes. I sometimes suspected they were so busy trying to satisfy the demands of the bike boom that they were equipping bikes with whatever components they could get hold of and dispensing with QA checks after assembly.

This bike looks like the mid-level frame (the wrap over seat stay) that may have been made with straight gauge Reynolds 531. It's equipped with less expensive components that you might find on the budget level Black Diamond frame (seamed tubing).

By 1974 things improved considerably when Falcon sourced derailleurs, crank sets from Japan for a nearly all aluminum component bike for their mid level. Easily the equal of French bikes in these price ranges.

Falcon's "flamboyant" paints are an attractive feature. Besides this green they had a lime green, blue, purple and a red that didn't hold up as well as the others.
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You asked The two different looks. The 289 is getting a rebuild right now as it had a balance issue. Will be painted original colors but massaged on the inside with a 331 stroker kit.


Hey, that's a beauty. The top on mine was the body color, and it had lowline dual hood scoops with parking lights in the fake scoop inlets that faced the windshield. Never found ones like them. It was a fun car. I loved the simplicity of those 60's cars. True story, back in the 80's I was stranded in the Smoky Mountains in that car when my brakes went out. No leaks down below, but finally I found that the cup on the master cylinder plunger had fallen apart, so i disassembled it on the side of the road and cut a circle of leather from the belt I was wearing and made a plunger boot for it. Made it all the way from North Carolina to Florida with that repair.

Good luck with the restoration.
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The one about Verktyg talked was mine, for a while.
I have another one now, probably the cheapest in the line, but still looking good.
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Wow!

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You asked The two different looks. The 289 is getting a rebuild right now as it had a balance issue. Will be painted original colors but massaged on the inside with a 331 stroker kit.


WOW! scozim, that's the best looking Falcon I've EVER seen. How many bikes do you want for it?

In NM back in the mid 70's a WILD and CRAZY GF had a RED 1965 Falcon Futura convertible with a hot factory 4 barrel 289 and 4 speed. It was cherry inside and out.

I tried to look up the specs but history is written by THOSE WHO WEREN'T THERE!

I got back from the crusades in 1966 and those mid 60's muscle cars occupied much of the fantasies for motor heads like me.

The only problem with those cars is they had "birth control" interiors: bucket seats and the back seats were too small!

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Thanks guys - it's definitely been fun after buying the car back 28 yrs after selling it.

You see a lot of different props at car shows - but I've never seen a vintage bike. Let alone one with the same name as the car. Thus the interest doing something a little different. But, I definitely would do a repaint to the same color of the car so I wouldn't go for a pristine version of the bike.

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1970's quote from Charlie Harding of C. Harding's For Bikes near the UCLA campus: "A Falcon is a good English bike."
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I just picked up this specimen. Can't find another like it anywhere on the web, so interested to know if anyone has any info about it. I'm guessing that ripped Reynolds sticker is a 501? The bike is reasonably light....



501? Can't find another sticker that says TI Reynolds 531 Limited at the bottom though...


Not a bad looking bike I suppose
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