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Old 10-27-18, 11:46 PM
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Regina Corse freewheel remover?

I trying to purchase the remover tool for a Regina Corse. Please see a picture of the freewheel. I believe the VAR remover tool is the correct one. There seems to be more than one 2 prong tool out there. Is this the correct tool? See photo. Its advertised on Amazon as "VAR Freewheel Remover For Old Type Cyclo And 4, 5 And 6 Speed Regina 2 Notch Freewheels"








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Look like the Park tool that I use to remove my Maillard 2 notch freewheels could work for that Regina......
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Yes. There are several variations, but they all work about the same.

Some words of advise:
1. put the tool on the freewheel and hold the tool on the freewheel with the skewer.
2. You should remove the volute springs on the skewer so the tool is held on the freewheel firmly.
3. Put the freewheel tool in a bench vice and use the wheel for leverage to break the freewheel loose.
4. Use steady pressure, but don't give up until it breaks loose or breaks.
5. Don't be surprised if the tool breaks off pieces of the freewheel body.

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In my experience the best freewheel remover for your vintage two-prong Regina is the Shimano Dura-Ace TL-FW10.



The sturdy rim around the outer edge of the tool helps to keep it properly in place on the freewheel body.

The VAR tool in your original posting does not stay in place on the freewheel body, under load, as well as the Shimano tool.

Follow _all_ Jeff Wills suggestions, above, and consider the repeat application of a penetrating oil to both the front and back of the body in advance to try and get some lubricant into the threads. Lubricate for a few days before you try to remove the freewheel.

It is not uncommon for the "ears" (flanges) on the Regina freewheel body to chip or break: extra care and patience are advisable.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
...Please see a picture of the freewheel....
I see corrosion and dried crud on the inner body ridge with the notches, the retaining ring/outer bearing race, and the sprockets. This warns me there is a high probability that the threading between the freewheel and hub also contains corrosion, which acts like red Loctite and can make freewheel removal from the hub very difficult. Also the notches themselves appear to be in excellent condition, with no deforming, which points to the high probability your Regina Corse has never been removed. A freewheel that has never been removed and appears to be in the condition of your freewheel, can be a very stubborn freewheel, when attempting it's first removal.

I'd also venture to guess the freewheel and wheel are from the 1960s and no younger than the early 1970s. This means the two have been threaded together for approximately a half century, maybe even longer. That's an exceptionally long time for threads, especially threads exposed to the elements associated with road riding, to be in one position with each other.

With those observations, I would try to flood the threads with as much penetrating oil as possible, patiently waiting between applications over the course of many days, allowing as much time as you have before attempting a removal. If the freewheel does not break free with moderate force, I'd soak the threads even longer. In the end the notches might be ruined and you could be forced to a destructive method for removal. Let's hope not! Best of luck.
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If it is really stuck you aren't getting it off with a home remover tool. Go to a bike shop that has been in business since those freewheels were common. The Campagnolo remover that came with the full Campagnolo tool case does the job easily and quickly and doesn't damage the (unfortunately fragile) notches. The Campy tool will usually get it off even if the notches are already damaged. There are a few Campy-copy tools that do the same thing.

If it is well and truly stuck you start disassembling the thing and then a pipe wrench. You can end up destroying both the freewheel and the hub. Again, if you are in this bad situation it is best to take the job to a shop and a mechanic that has done this before.

I have these freewheels on all my bikes and have preferred them for 50 years. There is a way to avoid the problem. Looking at freewheels that were really a bad problem, the ones that did require a pipe wrench, that did cut new threads into the hub shell, they were always heavily greased. The ones assembled dry or with a few drops of oil always come off easily. Yes, anyone here can provide cites to the usual respected authorities that will tell you to grease freewheel threads. Regina is a lot easier to live with assembled dry.
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I'm not saying this to sound negative, but as a former mechanic, sometimes a truly stuck freewheel removal attempt just will not end well. The best LBS can perform miracles but not Miracles.
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Just noticed that all the teeth on that cluster have sharp clean original condition edges. That cog has not been repeatedly torqued down by a big guy climbing mountains or sprinting. Good chance this one comes off easy. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by cyclophilia View Post
In my experience the best freewheel remover for your vintage two-prong Regina is the Shimano Dura-Ace TL-FW10.
+1 this. The Bicycle Research CT-1 also has this stabilizing ring.
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I'll add that the advise to use a bench vise in lieu of an 18" wrench has a secondary benefit, in that the sideways push on the wrench also is trying to push the remover tool out of alignment with (or off center from) the freewheel's notched inner hub.

So, if a vise is not available, use the longest wrench possible to improve the torque-to-side-load ratio, and with the QR skewer good and tight.

Don't forget to loosen the skewer after the freewheel first breaks loose, or the skewer will get stretched or broken (as well as damage to the hub).

Road freewheels used with traditional gearing seldom will become super-tight unless corrosion has set in.
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you show a already buggered freewheel from previous failed removal attempt,
Probably time to finish it off . with a destructive removal method

drive the bearing race piece off using those pin face recesses
using a center punch and hammer.. (I think they're LH thread)

then when all those balls fall out, and it separates,
put the core in a bench vise and unscrew the wheel from it..




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Originally Posted by cyclophilia View Post
In my experience the best freewheel remover for your vintage two-prong Regina is the Shimano Dura-Ace TL-FW10.



The sturdy rim around the outer edge of the tool helps to keep it properly in place on the freewheel body.

The VAR tool in your original posting does not stay in place on the freewheel body, under load, as well as the Shimano tool.

Follow _all_ Jeff Wills suggestions, above, and consider the repeat application of a penetrating oil to both the front and back of the body in advance to try and get some lubricant into the threads. Lubricate for a few days before you try to remove the freewheel.

It is not uncommon for the "ears" (flanges) on the Regina freewheel body to chip or break: extra care and patience are advisable.
Finally, I can use that Dura Ace tool that I have had for years. I did not know that Dura ace would work. Thanks for infol
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Originally Posted by Bianchi84 View Post
I'm not saying this to sound negative, but as a former mechanic, sometimes a truly stuck freewheel removal attempt just will not end well. The best LBS can perform miracles but not Miracles.
Jefferson Starship can.

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Went to Church this morning; immediately upon returning, with Church clothes still, I grabbed the big crescent wrench and gave it a turn. First shot. First one. Medium pressure. Freewheel turned on the first shot.
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thanks to @cyclophilia for the info on the dura ace remover tool
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@vintagerando Great work on the removal! So glad it came off so easily! Great for you!
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
@vintagerando Great work on the removal! So glad it came off so easily! Great for you!
I think this is nice freewheel worthly of saving. Its a 14-30. There is a weird click when you spin it; maybe every third rotation when you give it a whirl.
@pastorbobnlnh I am reading/reviewing an old thread you were part of regarding taking these apart for service. Wondering if I should leave -"well enough" alone, or try to service this classic beauty.
It came off a 1967-68 PX10; though I guess it could in theory be any age if it was put on later. Regardless, it seems like a rarity with 30t on the large cog and deserves to be cleaned up.
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Nice job of removal. Personally Id send the freewheel to Pastor Bob and let him address the disassembly, overhaul and document his findings. Seems to me the light cost is well worth it. Also, would be interested to see how well the hub, spokes and wheel come back with cleaning. They do look every bit of 50 years of life.
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Nice job of removal. Personally Id send the freewheel to Pastor Bob and let him address the disassembly, overhaul and document his findings. Seems to me the light cost is well worth it. Also, would be interested to see how well the hub, spokes and wheel come back with cleaning. They do look every bit of 50 years of life.
The axle is seized in the hub. Never experienced this before. I cannot imagine how the axle could be totally seized unless there is something foreign that got into the hub.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
Went to Church this morning; immediately upon returning, with Church clothes still, I grabbed the big crescent wrench and gave it a turn. First shot. First one. Medium pressure. Freewheel turned on the first shot.
Good job. Next purchase: a lottery ticket.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
Good job. Next purchase: a lottery ticket.
Yeah, you may be right. I think the freewheel is original. Forum members help date the bike it came from to 1968-1970 (PX10). So, its possible the freewheel was on there for 50 years.
I guess the mechanic that built it up must have greased up those threads real nice back in 68'.
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The axle is seized in the hub. Never experienced this before. I cannot imagine how the axle could be totally seized unless there is something foreign that got into the hub.
"something foreign" just might be hardened grease. Some greases, under certain conditions, become hardened to the point of being crisply brittle, and worse yet when the hub had been quite well-packed.

Heat will soften old grease, as will expended soaking in the right sort of solvent.
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I think this is nice freewheel worthly of saving. Its a 14-30. There is a weird click when you spin it; maybe every third rotation when you give it a whirl.
@pastorbobnlnh I am reading/reviewing an old thread you were part of regarding taking these apart for service. Wondering if I should leave -"well enough" alone, or try to service this classic beauty.
It came off a 1967-68 PX10; though I guess it could in theory be any age if it was put on later. Regardless, it seems like a rarity with 30t on the large cog and deserves to be cleaned up.
Since it came off a 1967-68 PX10, there's a good chance the hub and freewheel threading is French. French threading alone, is the perfect reason to completely clean, service and restore this Regina.

Can you take a look at the back side of the freewheel body and look for a stamp? If you see "F.F." stamped there, you have a French threaded freewheel. Finding one in this range can be challenging. This alone should be motivation to clean and restore!

The "weird click" could be a bad pawl or bearing or external contamination. Unfortunately there is a large gap between the body halves and it is easy for debris to invade the interior!
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Since it came off a 1967-68 PX10, there's a good chance the hub and freewheel threading is French. French threading alone, is the perfect reason to completely clean, service and restore this Regina.

Can you take a look at the back side of the freewheel body and look for a stamp? If you see "F.F." stamped there, you have a French threaded freewheel? Finding one in this range can be challenging. This alone should be motivation to clean and restore!

The "weird click" could be a bad pawl or bearing or external contamination. Unfortunately there is a large gap between the body halves and it is easy for debris to invade the interior!
Good point about the F.F. designation meaning French-threaded. Although Italian freewheels marked F.F. fit much more easily onto an English-threaded hub than the Made-in-France French freewheels (and so may be mistaken for English-threaded ones), they are French-threaded and will damage an English-threaded hub to some degree, and with considerable reduction in torque limit across the threads.
Note also that an "F.I." designation stands for "fit ingles" (English threading).
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I scrubbed it with de-greaser. Than I poured Finish Line Wet grease along the seam where the bearings are. It spins like it did in 1968, when it was likely installed. Smooth. So smooth.
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