Cable routing:
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Originally Posted by crandress
(Post 20642743)
Nice! Love the leather bottle holders in the back too! Where did you get those??
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Originally Posted by crandress
(Post 20639615)
I will start with the ones I have and look for some C&V Suntours to try as well! Now which bike to try them on...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de2f8c1f2c.jpg Overall I'm a pretty big fan. Sometimes I feel that the shift lever ergonomics aren't the best, especially since my front derailleur pull has a decent amount of resistance to it and the short levers don't give a lot of leverage. This is likely due to tight bends on cheap shift housing due to the under-the-bar routing, and maybe because I should clean and lube the FD. But to be honest, I only notice it shifting into the biggest chainring, and probably about 90% of my riding is done in the middle 40T ring. The only complaint I have that is specific to my setup is that with the bars at the height that I want them, if the handlebars swing around the Barcons will hit the top tube - hence the handlebar tape wrapped around to protect it. Just be advised that if you like to run drop handlebars reasonably high, you might run into this problem. I have been considering how I want to build up my 1981 Trek 716. My intitial intention was to set it up with modern Shimano or Sram integrated brake/shift levers, but I'm starting to lean towards the idea of getting some indexed bar-ends instead. It would sure keep the cost down! |
Originally Posted by abshipp
(Post 20643128)
I have one bike with bar-ends, a Velo Orange Polyvalent with Suntour Barcons shifting a triple crank with an 8 speed cassette, cables routed under the tape exiting at the stem:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de2f8c1f2c.jpg Overall I'm a pretty big fan. Sometimes I feel that the shift lever ergonomics aren't the best, especially since my front derailleur pull has a decent amount of resistance to it and the short levers don't give a lot of leverage. This is likely due to tight bends on cheap shift housing due to the under-the-bar routing, and maybe because I should clean and lube the FD. But to be honest, I only notice it shifting into the biggest chainring, and probably about 90% of my riding is done in the middle 40T ring. The only complaint I have that is specific to my setup is that with the bars at the height that I want them, if the handlebars swing around the Barcons will hit the top tube - hence the handlebar tape wrapped around to protect it. Just be advised that if you like to run drop handlebars reasonably high, you might run into this problem. I have been considering how I want to build up my 1981 Trek 716. My intitial intention was to set it up with modern Shimano or Sram integrated brake/shift levers, but I'm starting to lean towards the idea of getting some indexed bar-ends instead. It would sure keep the cost down! |
I am using 8 speed indexed Shimano barends on my Ross. I don’t feel like I am giving much up to integrated shifters, and I prefer the look and feel of vintage levers. |
On the topic of barcons - I have Shimano barcons (not sure which model off hand) on my ~15 y.o. Rivendell Redwood. Until about a year ago I had them in friction mode, which worked fine. But then I started to experience "self shifting" when out of the saddle in a low gear, not great... I switched them over to index mode, which "solved" the problem.
From some reading I believe what's happening is the derailleur cable is slightly binding somewhere when the frame flexes, causing a sort of ratcheting action. I looked at where the cable routes under the BB shell and didn't see any obvious issues there, so not clear to me where the problem lies. The bike is completely stripped down right now for a frame repair. When I put it back together I'll pay extra attention to the full length of rear derailleur cable and housings. But any hints on areas for special attention? |
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Tommy Simpson with the Cannibal chomping down And https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f7f3ecffb9.png Patrick Sercu with Merckx |
Cutting bars down slightly for bar ends was common practice. It depends on the bar. Some rando bars have shortish drops and seemingly are intended for bar ends.
I never like barcons myself. Too easy to bang my knees into them. Maybe I move around too much or something. Also, I have long ape arms and reaching DT shifters is really easy for me. I do have bar ends on my Clem bike with Albatross bars though. Perfect for that. |
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Man, that's an early pic ^^^.
He hadn't even swapped in Cinelli bar & stem and campy hubs yet. |
As mentioned, trimming an inch off each end and using barends were popular for USA criteriums.
One slight improvement today is using them with modern Teflon lined stiff cable. Crispy 'friction' if such a description makes any sense. And another pro, Manuel Fuente https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de7ff043d7.png |
The great Gino Bartali
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If one is into classic weight weenie builds, a negative might be the weight of bar end shifters.
Currently in the build of a Teledyne alpine using early Shimano bar ends. With modern cables the mechanical action is precise though I'm tempted to rework them to reduce weight. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af1356b319.jpg |
Originally Posted by crank_addict
(Post 20643726)
As mentioned, trimming an inch off each end and using barends were popular for USA criteriums.
One slight improvement today is using them with modern Teflon lined stiff cable. Crispy 'friction' if such a description makes any sense. And another pro, Manuel Fuente https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de7ff043d7.png |
I am posting to show an intermediate position for the cable housing. I think running the housing all the way under the bar tape is a bit too constrictive for the cables, so I run the housing out of the bar tape right where the brake levers hit the bar. The bar tape has a natural split in the wrap at that point. The cable has an unrestricted run when positioned that way, and it stays out of the way of your hands as well. You can easily see the white cable housing against the hood and bar tape here on my Old Peugeot no. 1: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fad1db8582.jpg |
Originally Posted by Aubergine
(Post 20644527)
I am posting to show an intermediate position for the cable housing. I think running the housing all the way under the bar tape is a bit too constrictive for the cables, so I run the housing out of the bar tape right where the brake levers hit the bar. The bar tape has a natural split in the wrap at that point. The cable has an unrestricted run when positioned that way, and it stays out of the way of your hands as well. You can easily see the white cable housing against the hood and bar tape here on my Old Peugeot no. 1: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fad1db8582.jpg Worked well enough I bought some 25' or 50' rolls of cable housing and extra cables to experiment with while I settle on a routing method. I'm gonna try a full bar tape wrap next, and swap stems from the original dirt stem with built in cable hanger to a road stem and accessory cable hanger below the stem. Should make it easier to adjust the stem height without needing to re-adjust my cantilever front brake. And no knee problems with albatross bars -- they flare out enough, and my bike has a fairly long top tube so there's plenty of clearance. If I put bar-ends on a drop bar I'd probably go for Salsa chowchipper or similar flared drops. |
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