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Fleslider Centurion Ironman Team Frame build thread

Old 10-30-18, 09:04 PM
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Fleslider Centurion Ironman Team Frame build thread

This will be the build thread for this Team Ironman Frame.

A craigslist find in Bay Ho, CA (Suburb of San Diego) A 58cm Centurion Ironman Master Team Frame. These were made by Zunow Bicycle Works of Osaka Japan. the owner was told that this bike had participated in at least 2 Ironman's one being Australia (Unknown Year), and the other being the Oceanside Half Ironman which started in the early 2000's .

According to Dave Scott, Zunow was the main builder for the Centurion race team, there were a few that were not Zunow's but most were. there is rumors that Dave's frames were made by Eisentraut, but Dave stated that he rode for Eisentraut before he rode for Centurion and that Eisentraut was not a frame builder for Centurion. It unknown at this time who rode this bike possibly Mike Pigg.

From what I have read and learned about Zunow frames the tubing was a custom made for Zunow . which looks to be based off of Tange Prestige with the oval seat tube into the bottom bracket shell. also it was well known that Zunow worked closely with Tange. the fork is labeled Tange Prestige and was also a custom Zunow piece with their Hummingbird logo in the crown.

Lugs were custom Zunow as the bottom bracket has Zunow cast into it, as well as the head lugs have a few cutout details. the drops are Shimano. it is missing the Zunow Biplane Brake Bridge and channeled brake cable configuration, instead it used a single loop Brake cable braze on. this could have been done to make it look like the standard Tange 1 production Masters.

here are some pics as received Stickers except for the Shimano decal and components will be removed and it will be cleaned up and rebuilt with 7 Speed Dura-Ace to match the faded DA Headset.

Other than lug/Tubing differences with the frame the main giveaway that this was a team frame was the Centurion logo on the seat tube.




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Wow, thatís an exciting find. Canít wait to see this one
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Oh wow I had no Idea such a thing existed. My appreciation for Centurion just keeps growing.
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As fleslider has graciously assisted in the building of the empire, it couldn't be with a better man.

San Deigo, eh?
Then, ya ya, I'm stoked to see this build....
Cool stuff to know.
Cool bike to build.
I know it will be....cool.

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You might as well go with 8 speed Dura Ace since there are three sets of derailleurs and shifters in the sales forum right now... Unless you already have the components.
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Righteous! That’s one hot mess there.
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You might as well go with 8 speed Dura Ace since there are three sets of derailleurs and shifters in the sales forum right now... Unless you already have the components.
I'm planning on returning it to its racing form, 7 speed Dura-Ace (thanks @RobbieTunes) tri bars and all. got a few more things to find D-A seatpost and Yellow Turbo saddle and D-A Stem
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7 speed Dura Ace is the way to go especially if it was Dave's. Mike Pigg on the other hand used Shimano but not always Dura Ace.
One curious thing Pigg did on the end of his aero bars one plug was black the other white. He did that on several different bikes, not sure if it was coincidental or intentional e.g. superstitious. Also the plugs were what the standard issued Ironman plugs ie the ones with the screw compression style... stop me I'm nerding out.
One more thing before I forget, the year they used the yellow fade color scheme they were using Scott DH aero bars. Later both Scott and Pigg switched to the profile version.

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Dave mentioned that most of the bikes were Dura-Ace but there was a couple that had Ultegra.

I got a set of Scott DH Aero bars with the bike that were made by 3TTT. not sure if they were in that era or later on.
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Love that fork. No unicrown!
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I had no idea until this bike that centurion were sourcing frames from zunow for their race bikes! Two of my favorite bikes combined into one- gets no better than that.
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Originally Posted by fleslider View Post
Dave mentioned that most of the bikes were Dura-Ace but there was a couple that had Ultegra.

I got a set of Scott DH Aero bars with the bike that were made by 3TTT. not sure if they were in that era or later on.
It was initially some Italian company that i think i would recognize if i saw it. Is 3ttt italian?
You can contact Boone Lennon the inventor. Eventually it was sourced out.

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I had no idea until this bike that centurion were sourcing frames from zunow for their race bikes! Two of my favorite bikes combined into one- gets no better than that.
Zunow is now on my list of bikes to get. The 85 Ironman and now the Zunow...short list.
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. . . and Yellow Turbo saddle . . .
Possible substitute, used on the 87 Experts, if I'm not mistaken.
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DA seatposts in 27.0 are....hard to find.
BUT I have a Shimano 600 seatpost, aero, visually similar to the DA 7400, in 27.0. And highly polished.
One might say mirror-like.
I mean, if you are really looking for something like that.
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I'm really liking this .
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So fleslider, what size Seatpost does the Pro bike take?
Man I wish I had known rccardr had a 27.0 shimano aero seatpost before I bought a 27.2 shimano 600 aero seatpost. The master and pre master fit 27.2 no problem but the Expert came with a 27.0 and requires a little force with 27.2.
Btw non of the Pics I've Seen of Dave Scott or Mike Piggs bike have aero seatpost.

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7 speed Dura Ace is the way to go especially if it was Dave's. Mike Pigg on the other hand used Shimano but not always Dura Ace.
One curious thing Pigg did on the end of his aero bars one plug was black the other white. He did that on several different bikes, not sure if it was coincidental or intentional e.g. superstitious. Also the plugs were what the standard issued Ironman plugs ie the ones with the screw compression style...

stop me I'm nerding out.

One more thing before I forget, the year they used the yellow fade color scheme they were using Scott DH aero bars. Later both Scott and Pigg switched to the profile version.
Understatement. First the naked pics, then this.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post
It was initially some Italian company that i think i would recognize if i saw it. Is 3ttt italian?
You can contact Boone Lennon the inventor. Eventually it was sourced out.
Yes they are Italian, hmm i may just use them , need to find those arm rests that fit over the bars , not the clamp style that was later on.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post
So fleslider, what size Seatpost does the Pro bike take?
Man I wish I had known rccardr had a 27.0 shimano aero seatpost before I bought a 27.2 shimano 600 aero seatpost. The master and pre master fit 27.2 no problem but the Expert came with a 27.0 and requires a little force with 27.2.
Btw non of the Pics I've Seen of Dave Scott or Mike Piggs bike have aero seatpost.
Seatpost is a 27.2 that is what was in the frame when i got it and it fits well. If i recall correct my other Prestige frames also used 27.2.

I was thinking they were using the non aero Dura-Ace seatpost, I think there was another image i saw that one had a American Classic Seatpost.
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Yes they are Italian, hmm i may just use them , need to find those arm rests that fit over the bars , not the clamp style that was later on.
I have the original Scott dh aero bars on all 4 of my Ironman now however, I use clamp and cup style. But I think i have a pair of the original ones to contribute to the Pro build. I'll pm you later.
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Seatpost is a 27.2 that is what was in the frame when i got it and it fits well. If i recall correct my other Prestige frames also used 27.2.

I was thinking they were using the non aero Dura-Ace seatpost, I think there was another image i saw that one had a American Classic Seatpost.
In that era Dura Ace seatpost came in aero, fluted and plain.
Also looking at a video from '89 Dave was using a selle San marco rolls saddle.
I'm still gonna go through some earlier video. Speaking of which before you posted it I actually was trying to post a video of Mike Pigg riding the Pro bike I think you have but, even though I have a youtube channel apparently I haven't posted a video in 10 years! So I tried and couldn't do it but I'll figure it out. I probably need to upgrade some how.

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Is this the style armrest in question?
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