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Old 11-10-18, 08:08 PM
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Saddles Seats & Peugeot bicycles

Tried to search the forum for information but could not, maybe because I do not know how to work the forum.. I posted a saddle question on another thread hoping for answers providing revelations that would be steering me to the perfect seat for an old Peugeot restoration. Of course comfort and being nice to look at and period correct are my primary requirements. I found no threads using the search function, of course I did not read all the hundreds of pages offered - just the first five (5) or so. Made me think there must be more info about saddles out there but I do not know how to find it. Anyway with some luck you all have tons of ideas for the proper place to sit while riding an old Peugeot...

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Old 11-10-18, 08:21 PM
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Which model Peugeot are you working on? And how old?
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Old 11-10-18, 09:55 PM
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Try a Brooks! no matter what nationality, a Brooks is timeless

(you didn't say 'cheap' so I assumed budget is no constraint )
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Old 11-10-18, 10:05 PM
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I ride an '84 Pug PH10 that I bought new. I don't remember what the stock saddle was that it came with but I do remember it was hard and uncomfortable. I replaced it with a Spenco gel saddle shortly after purchasing the bike. The saddle is not "factory correct" but it is "period correct" and one helluva lot more comfortable.
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+1 on the Brooks. I recently picked up a '78 Peugeot PR10 and it came with a Brooks Professional, not original, but it looks good, and rides nice. I have two other vintage bikes with Brooks B17s, and actually like them better, but it may be a fitting issue, since I haven't had the Peugeot as long.
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Old 11-10-18, 10:51 PM
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To keep it French you can go top end/top$ with a used Ideale that is old but in prime condition or one of their new offerings, or maybe a new Giles Berthaudt. More affordable, but lesser quality would be a used Adga or maybe a Pryma. Brooks isn't French, but works well and there are multiple models available for both upright and drop bar riding styles. More affordable is a Turbo. Have had several and really liked them. Don
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The original for my 84 PH10L was a "Turbo style". Personally it looks like a Vetta to me. Mine has the original saddle. I'll probably try it out as it is fairly close to the original Turbo saddle. A lot of it comes down to trial and error. I've tried a lot of different saddles and have 4 basic ones that fit me well and are fairly comfortable - original Turbo saddle, Avocet Touring, Avocet O2 Air 40R and the Vetta TT Tri Shock. All would look fine on your PH10.




The Brooks, for me personally, is not an option because the look doesn't do anything for me.
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...try doing your search using Google in Chrome browser. Use the terms you want, and then add either Bike Forums or "bike forums". You'll get a reasonable set of results, and a link to expand to all the results from this forum. The Forums search function is just not very good, which is a shame because of the treasure trove of information in here. Thankfully, Google makes it more accessible.
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Old 11-10-18, 11:43 PM
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...Ideale leather saddles are a nice touch on older French bikes, but the used prices on them are kind of crazy lately. As already stated, a Brooks is relatively acceptable as commonly used on these in the 70's. Once you hit the 80's, more likely to encounter something in the Sella Italia Turbo saddle design. 90's and later is not my area of interest, so I'm useless there.
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Many of the older Peugeots (mid 70s and earlier) used an Idéale 39 or a similar saddle from BIM, ADGA, or Norex. They were not expensive when new but can be quite comfortable when broken in a bit. I have two original Idéale 39s on my bikes and like them a lot.
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Have ridden Peugeot, Motobecane and Gitane versions of the Turbo that are Ok for short rides, an hour or less, but with longer time in the saddle, they weren't as comfortable to me as the original Turbo's which are fine even after all day. Don
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All of my 60's Peugeots have the Ideal Saddle. My early 70 PX I believe it has the Brooks. Will post pictures soon.

As far as comfort. I believe they are similar I've never had a comfort problem with the saddles.
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If you want the original spec, it would help to know the OP year and model. Don't know of anyone who can recite every saddle specified to such a make as Peugeot. Start here:
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/

Next, if you find the original spec and don't like the saddle at least you can zone in the same era produced saddles by researching velobase.
VeloBase.com

Should a used saddle not be acceptable, there's a continuation line offered by almost every major maker.
Brooks, Ideale, Selle San Marco, etc..
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
...Ideale leather saddles are a nice touch on older French bikes, but the used prices on them are kind of crazy lately. As already stated, a Brooks is relatively acceptable as commonly used on these in the 70's. Once you hit the 80's, more likely to encounter something in the Sella Italia Turbo saddle design. 90's and later is not my area of interest, so I'm useless there.
Is it just me or are they significantly heavier than Brooks? @3alarmer "90's and later is not my area of interest, so I'm useless there". You can bluff it quite adequately by saying 'Selle Italia Flite Titanium' a lot, preferably while nodding...
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Secretly been on the hunt for an Ideale 2003. Those seller's who know what they are command tall pricing.

Funny too as the 2k series could easily confuse as being the model year release.
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Before they all went to French Fender Day, RHM mentioned that he had a couple Ideale saddles that he had recovered that were availlable. Would probably look the part and be at least as well-made as the original. Probably better.
Don't know if he still has them.
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My personal experience with Idéale saddles (which would have been standard issue on a PX-whatever) is that
a) as pointed out above, they're fairly expensive for the shape you'll find most of them in, and scandalous for an unused one
b) they tend to have thicker leather than Brooks saddles
c) thicker and older leather is harder, requiring longer break-in (even for saddles that have been used, but then lain fallow for decades), or they may never be comfortable.


The advice to seek out rhm for a recovery job on an Idéale frame is really good, if you're that much of a purist about it, and not averse to paying a lot more than you will for a serviceable Brooks Pro, B17 Special or B17.


Just some opinions . . .
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Thank you for the suggestions from everyone, The Brooks looks good on the pictures shown & I have researched every other suggestion from every reply, maybe it will take a few tries to find one now that I have some great ideas from all the replies. Perhaps its time to start a saddle collection, apparently this will not be simple. The one on the bike now, the original 1960's issue is an ADGA Chatillonaise. I did not preserve it, hung the bike on a hook in the garage and did not look at it since 1989. It has dried out and looks like heck - just about drowning it in leather conditioner now is not helping. My thought of responding to each member who took the time to reach out will take a bit and I am not sure if that's a correct approach but it's on my list. I am not sure when I can post this - seems I have bumped into a five post in 24 hour wall that hopefully will end soooon.
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Not sure of exact age or model. Received it from dad prior to graduation which was 1969 so I am thinking I got it in '65 or '66. Few more post and I'll be able to post pictures. I took a bunch today so tomorrow I'll clean them up and rotate so they are not upside down and such.
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Originally Posted by mkressgold View Post
Not sure of exact age or model. Received it from dad prior to graduation which was 1969 so I am thinking I got it in '65 or '66. Few more post and I'll be able to post pictures. I took a bunch today so tomorrow I'll clean them up and rotate so they are not upside down and such.
you just reached 10 posts, so no more limits! Looking forward to seeing your bike. @rhm recovered an old ADGA 28A for me (in my case the original was so weatherbeaten that it was unrecognizable) and it is a nice saddle, but let’s see what yours looks like so we can suggest what to do. Although some sellers want funny money for old Idéale saddles, it is possible to find them for ok prices every so often.
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