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Old 11-26-18, 01:33 AM
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Help needed identifying Cinelli

Hi,

I got a Cinelli bike a few days ago. I like it very much and want to refurbish it a little bit. So I began looking for the model, year, etc, but with no luck. The pre-owner mentioned it was a bike of a professional german rider, but this is not validated. Can you please help me identifying it? I'm happy for any hints :-)

Since I'm newbie here in the forum, I'm not allowed to insert photos in this post. So I uploaded them to my gallery here. Album id is 11829800. I can deliver more photos if needed.

Thank you very much in advance, best regards
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Old 11-26-18, 02:42 AM
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Unfortunately I don't know where to locate your album.
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Unfortunately I don't know where to locate your album.
Here.
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Very nice frame. Itís not my area of expertise, but what makes you think itís a Cinelli?

The seat tube cluster doesnít scream Cinelli to me, but maybe Iíve been perving at too many Supercorsas.

The seatpost is backwards, but you probably already know that.
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Thank you for the assistance and the quick response!
I assumed its a Cinelli cause of the imprint "Cinelli" "Mon Campione del mondo" on the handle bar (there are more pics of it in the album)
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Most likely not a Cinelli....
The handlebar being from Cinelli does not mean that the bike frameset was made by Cinelli.
Handlebars are one of Cinelli's main products and anyone can install a Cinelli bar on any bike.
Seat stay top end treatment look more like what you would see on an 80's Bottecchia (But the serial number does not seem to follow typical 80's Bottecchia serial number formats).
Looks to be a good quality frame, whatever it is, I especially like the cool serial number stamped at the bottom of the bottom bracket shell.
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Old 11-26-18, 06:14 AM
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Welcome to the forum.

Hopefully, Cinelli owners of non-Super Corsa's will be able to help. It's definitely not a Super Corsa.

The bottom bracket shell was available on the open market, so it could be anything.

As others have said, bars and stem available for purchase.

Interesting mix of parts. Looks nice, clean it up and others will post what they know.
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Old 11-26-18, 06:23 AM
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Gee, I'm afraid it doesn't look like a Cinelli frame to me - but I'm often wrong. If you can, measure the width of the bottom bracket. 70mm and it could be an Italian frame. 68mm probably means it has a British bottom bracket used by framebuilders around the world. This is only a guide though. Either way, it's a nice looking frame.

Looking at the 2 sets of bottle cage mounts, I would say this frame was made in the 1986 to 1990 era - another guess. Although the headset may be original (Campagnolo Super Record) suggesting it may be an earlier frame. The Campagnolo levers and the Nuovo Record Seatpost also suggest an earlier '80's build as well. As it is a re-paint, the headset was probably removed and could quite easily have been replaced too. I used to swap components over all the time depending on which way the wind might be blowing - haha. I'm sticking the bottle mounts and going with an '86 to '90 build.

Cinelli bars were fitted to many top (and not so top) bikes. Unfortunately they really mean very little in determining the make of the frame.

The news you really aren't looking for is that this frame has very little in the way of identifying features so it may not be able to be identified and it looks to be re-painted. Perhaps your best lead might be the previous owner. If it was ridden by a German Pro and it was a race frame I would expect to see a lug or fitting underneath the top tube and mounted towards the front of the tube (about 10 to 15cm back from the steerer tube). This fitting would have been used to attach the rider's race number. Perhaps it was a training bike?

Still - it's a nice frame with some good components.

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I would think Cinelli would use its own marked BB shells too. I also expect that it is something not-Cinelli.
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Funny how some things point to a late 80's bike and other things point or something much earlier.

For instance, the unicrown fork, cabling under BB, and the double water bottle bosses point to something later, but then the non-aero brakes, older headset and seatpost point to something much earlier.

Whatever it is it looks like a very racy geometry and I love the wheels as well.
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What kind of dropouts does it have??
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
Funny how some things point to a late 80's bike and other things point or something much earlier.

For instance, the unicrown fork, cabling under BB, and the double water bottle bosses point to something later, but then the non-aero brakes, older headset and seatpost point to something much earlier.

Whatever it is it looks like a very racy geometry and I love the wheels as well.
Fork crown looks more like a full sloping crown (which coincidentally what Cinellis had in the mid 80's), not a "Unicrown".....
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If it's a repaint the extra bottle bosses could be an add on, that's a bit of classic misdirection.
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If it's a repaint the extra bottle bosses could be an add on, that's a bit of classic misdirection.
FD mounting tab would have been an add on too then, if that's the case.....
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As Is?

Cinelli sold handlebars and stems separately ...

and BB shells to other frame builders around the globe..



& Have you figured out the seat post is in backwards yet?







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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
FD mounting tab would have been an add on too then, if that's the case.....
Looks respray to me, so post construction modifications are dangerous to draw conclusions with.
Looks reasonable as a bike.
I would not pay anything close to a Cinelli price.
Unlabeled bikes just don't most often garner a high price, the definite value leaders in the vintage bike world.

I think one has to back step and confirn the bottom bracket threading, seat tube inside diameter, the bottom bracket shell, seat stay top treatment, threading, brake bridge and headlugs will help most... but you may never know.
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Thank you for all you mentions, comments and help! As i summarize this is likely not an Cinelli frame. I will answer the questions and give details when I'm back at home at weekend. And yes I figured out that the seat post i backwards - and no, this was not a test to check if you look attentive ��

I got now the name of the professional rider and maybe the pre owner and try to contact him.

Thank you all!
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As mentioned might be a 1970s Cinelli with braze-ons added. Housing guides on top tube added? Fork crown is Cinelli-like. I think the RD cable housing stop too. Racy geometry too. Not sure about BB cable guides. Many top bikes of the 70s had clamp on BB cable guides. The thinking was that excessive brazing impacted the integrity of the frame tubes.

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If you paid over $200 for that because it was a Cinelli take it back right away.

It need a lot of elbow grease and some sorting out but it looks like a nice bike. Can you tell us some things about the frame? Is there anything stamped on the dropouts? Can you read the threading on the bottom bracket cups?

The rims look really nice and seem to have seen little use.
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$200.00 for that bike would be a steal , and that fork is not what I call a uni but apparently I am misinformed . I thought a uni was a fork that really had no crown , just the tubes bent and welded to the steer tube . Apparently Cinelli made a unicrown . I hope this thread keeps going , I'm stoked .

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Originally Posted by markwesti View Post
that fork is not what I call a uni but apparently I am misinformed . I thought a uni was a fork that really had no crown , just the tubes bent and welded to the steer tube .
Yes, a "unicrown" fork has the upper portion of the blades bent inward and welded directly to the steer tube, without a separate fork crown:



The OP's fork uses an investment cast, internally lugged fork crown into which the steer tube and fork blades are brazed.

Apparently Cinelli made a unicrown . I hope this thread keeps going , I'm stoked .

That's actually a pretty modern crown. Cinelli offered internally lugged, investment cast crowns as far back as the 1960s, as did many other manufacturers including Davis (England), Tange (Japan), Zeus (Spain), and others in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s.



As has been noted above, Cinelli supplied components including handlebars, fork crowns, bottom bracket shells, cable guides, and other sundries to many manufacturers around the world. We even used many of their products on Trek bikes in the 1980s. So just because a bike has some Cinelli componentry or frame parts doesn't mean it is a Cinelli bicycle.
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Before Cinelli marketed their own branded bottom bracket shells on the 80's they used George Fischer sand cast units.
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Hi,
Only facts and nothing but facts. In the pictures we see a no-name frame with geometry typical for the 1980s. Tubing unknown. Pretty clean work in the “Italian” style, based on what paint allows to see. Components are random mixture of items.
The following frame features differ from the typical features of Cinelli frames:
  • the BB and the cable tunnels brazed on it;
  • the serial number, its location, the font and the style of application;
  • design of the seat post cluster. Similar design can be found on a CX model, however with an inscription deeply stamped near the seat post ends;
  • shape of reinforcement plates at the lower bridge and the bridge itself;
  • an indent on the right (drive side) chain stay oddly combined with the modern “round -oval-round” chain stay shape;
  • 2 sets of bottle cage mounts. Usually it was one, at least until late 80s;
  • the frame shows a sign of rust at the chipped areas, while Cinelli frames were always chrome-plated whether painted or not;
  • paint- layer looks too thick - (probably IMRON). Cinelli frames are painted in a different technology, resulting in much thinner layers, including the final coats;
  • the brake bridge is not visible in the pictures. It is often used as an identifier.
I do not want to upset you, however this bike is definitely not Cinelli.
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I got a really good deal on a Cinelli SC a few years ago. A good friend asked me to find him an SLX bike. The frame was stripped and fork still painted. Only points like the crown, dropouts, and seat cluster were chromed, not the whole bike. Also, remember there are much lesser known models from the steel years, like the Unica and Man Machine, that do not have the instantly recognizable features of the SC. Also, different outsourcers were hired to build them. Also, it's known that at one time the shop workers were allowed to work on their own frames on Sundays. I know that from digging for info on my G. Losa bike. I would not rule out anything. Probably not Cinelli, true, but could be from a shop where the guy waved to the guys at Cinelli on the way to work every morning.

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