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Lascauxcaveman 11-27-18 09:41 PM

Rare is another word for "unpopular" isn't it?

Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left.

:innocent:

(Yes, I'm kinda trolling here)

xiaoman1 11-27-18 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman (Post 20681178)
Rare is another word for "unpopular" isn't it? :lol:

Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left

There are a couple example on this thread. Not naming any names :innocent:

Nash, Spyder, Marlin, Pacer or Edsel? :fred:

obrentharris 11-27-18 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by bentaxle (Post 20680653)
A 1983 Hugh Enochs frame? He was a California racer that made some frames in the SF Bay Area. I'm the sole owner, and it's quite desirable to me!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b94608c1e.jpeg

Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
Brent

sdn40 11-27-18 11:38 PM

This rash a friend of mine has had ever since a trip overseas in 1962. If any of you run into Fantasia tell her that I'm looking for her ..... to help my friend.

Nguyen Dang 11-28-18 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by Chombi1 (Post 20679975)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c1f66a076.jpg
1972 Line Seeker CF/Steel/Al race bike.
It's the only example that I had found so far that is original, intact and rideable. Only things I had to replace was the brake levers, saddle, brake cables and pads and rims on the wheels. The only other one I found was owned by a bicycle museum and it was toast.
#22 of supposedly only 300 made (hand made in the designing engineer's residence in 1972). Before Exxon bought the design from the engineer and modified to become the Exxon Graftek.

Great looking!

Johno59 11-28-18 04:19 AM

1906 Variable Speed (High and Low) Sunbeam
 
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e27ad20f1a.jpg

Rode it home from the seller , the gear selector is mounted on the lower downtube just behind the headtube/fork shoulder.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...59df53357b.jpg

Linkage for the two speed cycoptic BB enters just inbound from the chainring - from the right in this foto

bentaxle 11-28-18 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by obrentharris (Post 20681226)
Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
Brent

Thanks, Brent. I didn't know that Hugh sold frames as Jevelot. He made this one custom for me, and it never had any markings/decals, etc. So I didn't know that it has Jevelot brethren.

And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".

USAZorro 11-28-18 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by AZORCH (Post 20680558)
"Rare" gets bandied about a lot. As someone else pointed out already, just do a Craig's List search for "rare" and then enjoy the ride. That said, I tend to think of "rare" as having several levels of distinction. Here are a few...

Rare: ca. 1989 Freschi Supreme Super Cromo. I've never seen another in person, and only one or two photos of other examples.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f73bc7b76.jpg

:eek: What are the tube angles on that one? Surprised it could have been ridden without being crashed several times. It sure is pretty though.

bwilli88 11-28-18 08:32 AM

Possibly not quite rare but my Centurion Pro Tour is the only one I know of in Cambodia
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4310/...ef068bf8_c.jpg
centurion build (2) by Bwilli88, on Flickr

this is a Raleigh Record Ace built for the British market, how it got to America is a guess.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4827/...3f4857b7_c.jpg
IMG_20181001_175153784_HDR by Bwilli88, on Flickr

Steve Whitlatch 11-28-18 09:30 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ad3f4a945e.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b001b04419.jpg
I would call both of these rare. The Chrome Ochsner with Cinelli logo cut lugs and Cinelli panto fork crown was limited production and my Roberts , well he did not make a many frames per year. I would think that qualifies as rare?

AZORCH 11-28-18 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by USAZorro (Post 20681497)
:eek: What are the tube angles on that one? Surprised it could have been ridden without being crashed several times. It sure is pretty though.

Y'know, it's a surprising good ride and much more stable than you'd imagine from looking at the geometry. Go figure.

non-fixie 11-28-18 04:47 PM

Only a very few were made and even fewer still exist. I know of only one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7435044145.jpg

merziac 11-28-18 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by obrentharris (Post 20681226)
Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
Brent

And [MENTION=471653]bentaxle[/MENTION],

I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.

Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...edd9ff5f26.jpg

And another Jevelot built stunner.

https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b1acf12662.jpg

And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own [MENTION=290087]pcb[/MENTION].

The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.

This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...066d42b888.jpg


https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycles/photos/a.551215898227977/551216441561256/?type=3&theater " data-width="500" data-show-text="true" data-lazy="true">
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycles/photos/a.551215898227977/551216441561256/?type=3&theater " class="fb-xfbml-parse-ignore">Facebook Post

merziac 11-29-18 01:27 AM


Originally Posted by bentaxle (Post 20681486)
Thanks, Brent. I didn't know that Hugh sold frames as Jevelot. He made this one custom for me, and it never had any markings/decals, etc. So I didn't know that it has Jevelot brethren.

And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".

More pics plz! :)

Nguyen Dang 11-29-18 01:37 AM

Actually, all classic & vintage bikes are considered "rare"! Because, all of them are no longer in production & not many are still in mint condition & not many are in your size!

Johno59 11-29-18 03:18 AM

Swinging BB
 

Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 20682396)
Only a very few were made and even fewer still exist. I know of only one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7435044145.jpg

How do they stop excessive lateral movement of the BB when you crank up the power.

bentaxle 11-29-18 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by merziac (Post 20682471)
And [MENTION=471653]bentaxle[/MENTION],

I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.

Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot
And another Jevelot built stunner.

https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/


And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own [MENTION=290087]pcb[/MENTION].

The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.

This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycle...type=3&theater

Wow, thanks Merziac! I knew a bit about Hugh's career, (racer, connection to Wheelsmith, etc.) but it's really cool to see these other frames by Hugh/Jevelot. The stories read a lot like my interaction with Hugh, and my enjoyment of the frame is similar to theirs. I have some newer (and an older) frame as well, but there is none better than that Hugh's, which I have owned the longest and has taken me over mountains in California, the East Coast, and the Alps. A bit of a legacy with me.

bentaxle 11-29-18 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by merziac (Post 20682868)
More pics plz! :)

Here you go, as requested.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8057d7136.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4bb7107fd.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dca0ce958.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b43fb4147.jpeg

John E 11-29-18 10:28 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2e86b66a58.jpg
I greatly enjoyed reading this thread. Rare in the U.S., 1960 top-of-the-line Capo Sieger:

non-fixie 11-29-18 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20682900)
How do they stop excessive lateral movement of the BB when you crank up the power.

I haven't a clue. Not sure how big a problem that would be, either. For me, probably not so big. :o

I'm not into the grail bike concept, but this comes close. It look so elegant.

merziac 11-29-18 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by bentaxle (Post 20683027)
Wow, thanks Merziac! I knew a bit about Hugh's career, (racer, connection to Wheelsmith, etc.) but it's really cool to see these other frames by Hugh/Jevelot. The stories read a lot like my interaction with Hugh, and my enjoyment of the frame is similar to theirs. I have some newer (and an older) frame as well, but there is none better than that Hugh's, which I have owned the longest and has taken me over mountains in California, the East Coast, and the Alps. A bit of a legacy with me.

You're welcome and tx for more pics, very cool. Do you have others from Jevelot? Were you already familiar with Merz? I don't know if there is any real connection with the two although I would imagine they have crossed paths. And funny what comes up when you start digging, Jerry Hausler and Merz were at Eroica together, then well before that Merz and Jevelot built some of the first modern aero bikes. [MENTION=306057]obrentharris[/MENTION] is a wealth of info on this stuff, wish I knew what he knows. ;)

bentaxle 11-29-18 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by merziac (Post 20683534)
You're welcome and tx for more pics, very cool. Do you have others from Jevelot? Were you already familiar with Merz? I don't know if there is any real connection with the two although I would imagine they have crossed paths. And funny what comes up when you start digging, Jerry Hausler and Merz were at Eroica together, then well before that Merz and Jevelot built some of the first modern aero bikes. [MENTION=306057]obrentharris[/MENTION] is a wealth of info on this stuff, wish I knew what he knows. ;)

Hi Merziac: I only have the one frame from Hugh Enochs. It was never even labeled "Jevelot", though, just bought it from Hugh. He also repaired it once, when I got hit from behind by a car, so he kept that frame going. I was aware of Jevelot in those days, because they also sold other stuff. I think I had liquid latex for my "sew-ups" that had Jevelot on the label. So maybe a few things like that. But I don't think I knew there was any connection between Hugh and Jevelot (or I'd forgotten) until this thread.

And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.

Johno59 11-29-18 01:30 PM

Purple Haze

bentaxle 11-29-18 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20683566)
Purple Haze

Yeah, well . . . it was built in the 80s, so yes, Purple Haze makes sense, with Hendrix power riffs in the background. The frame color was called "turchese", Italian for turquoise since Hugh used pigments and color chips from some Italian supplier. The paint was basically Imron, though, I think. Any way, I would have thought the color was more along the lines of teal. Teal and purple was a very 80s color combination. Or "Turchese and Purple Haze" perhaps, being the Italian version.

merziac 11-29-18 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by bentaxle (Post 20683561)
Hi Merziac: I only have the one frame from Hugh Enochs. It was never even labeled "Jevelot", though, just bought it from Hugh. He also repaired it once, when I got hit from behind by a car, so he kept that frame going. I was aware of Jevelot in those days, because they also sold other stuff. I think I had liquid latex for my "sew-ups" that had Jevelot on the label. So maybe a few things like that. But I don't think I knew there was any connection between Hugh and Jevelot (or I'd forgotten) until this thread.

And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.

Well as you can see from my handle, I'm a big fan of Merz and if you go to his FB page or google him a fair amount comes up. If your daughter is on board then you have one of the best things going, not always easy to get that. The random connections are the best part of all this for me, you never know what you will put together and find some fascinating connection/info that ties something seemingly unrelated together.


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