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Old 11-28-18, 04:49 PM
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1939 time warp Raleigh Roadster ,bought today







Will replace the aftermarket grips with a pair of original ones I got from England, and will find original style brake blocks. The wheels run true, rear could be touched up. Dunlap steel rims .tangent frame mount shifter works well. Came with owners sheet , original tools, original raleigh pump which still works, 4 spring steel pants clamps, and a really old Sturmey Archer all metal oil can w metal extension tube on top to reach hub oil port. Bought from son, father rode it from new until he died 15 years ago. Stored inside all of its 79 years and hardly ridden. Shiny paint and complete decals. A w 9 on rear 3 spd hub, 1939 , which also agrees w serial number. Will shine it up and get some better photos using the dslr.
owner said after he put new tires , brake blocks and handgrips on it he took it on a 10 mi ride with no issues.

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Old 11-28-18, 04:57 PM
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Very nice!
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Love the huge rack along with the rest of it. Put both your kids on the back and go! (in 1939 anyway)
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lots of groceries carried on these raleigh racks in europe, lots of folks didn't have cars there. in the us, either.
Forgot to mention, there is a black handlebar flashlight holder that springs shut to hold a round flash light . Will take pictures and post.

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Wow that's really cool! Great find
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very cool/nice
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Tools and booklet that came with 39 roadster

goodies that came w bike


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Sixpence per tin seems pretty reasonable for Raleigh lubricating oil. Cheaper than that Campagnolo grease, anyway

No rod brakes?
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Fortuitous that previous stewards headed the fine hints to ensure the sweet running and long life of this special mount.
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That’s a beauty!
such great condition for that age
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
Sixpence per tin seems pretty reasonable for Raleigh lubricating oil. Cheaper than that Campagnolo grease, anyway

No rod brakes?

No rod brakes. Of course, , some models in 1939 had rod brakes. This was an export model to the US, so cable brakes. England is so damp that rod brakes were preferred there. Cable brakes of the time would rust up in that constant rain, especially if the bikes were stored outside, as many in england were.
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What a gem! I'd like to ask a favor. Would you please post a bunch of detail photos? Pre war roadsters are so rare here. I've never owned one. When questions about the older models come up, I generally only have grainy catalog scans to use as references. Don't blame you for splurging on period grips, this bike is worth the extra effort. Lovely bike.
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On the subject of grainy catalog pictures, here's the 1939 Sports Tourist from the VCC library.

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Light Roadster

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No rod brakes. Of course, , some models in 1939 had rod brakes. This was an export model to the US, so cable brakes. England is so damp that rod brakes were preferred there. Cable brakes of the time would rust up in that constant rain, especially if the bikes were stored outside, as many in england were.
The light in Light Roadster/Tourist was usually acquired by replacing rods with cables. All the bikes were very similar but the more expensive models had rod brakes and a chaincase to add the refinement - but also the weight..
I have 30 or 40 used brake cable for front and back brakes from before WW2 and they all work. The outers look terrible but some like that rustic look (I don't).
Anything from 1970 onwards, on the other hand is just rusted solid garbage. It is something I find incomprehensible.
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The light in Light Roadster/Tourist was usually acquired by replacing rods with cables. All the bikes were very similar but the more expensive models had rod brakes and a chaincase to add the refinement - but also the weight..
I have 30 or 40 used brake cable for front and back brakes from before WW2 and they all work. The outers look terrible but some like that rustic look (I don't).
Anything from 1970 onwards, on the other hand is just rusted solid garbage. It is something I find incomprehensible.
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Those cloth covered cable housings. like original handlebar grips are super rare. Not many survived. This bike is so well cared for that I wouldn't be surprised to see them here. If they aren't, personally I would go through the extra trouble of hunting some down. This bike deserves original type components IMO. Here's a close up of the rear brake cable housing on my 51 Rudge.

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Just got her home. Had to get those 2015 grips off right away!











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Those cloth covered cable housings. like original handlebar grips are super rare. Not many survived. This bike is so well cared for that I wouldn't be surprised to see them here. If they aren't, personally I would go through the extra trouble of hunting some down. This bike deserves original type components IMO. Here's a close up of the rear brake cable housing on my 51 Rudge.

yes, cloth covered cable housings on mine.. more pictures on subsequent posting
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Grips




Are these raleigh grips correct for 1939? If not, where can I get the correct ones? ( I know, eBay)



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yes, cloth covered cable housings on mine.. more pictures on subsequent posting
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Originally Posted by BigChief View Post
What a gem! I'd like to ask a favor. Would you please post a bunch of detail photos? Pre war roadsters are so rare here. I've never owned one. When questions about the older models come up, I generally only have grainy catalog scans to use as references. Don't blame you for splurging on period grips, this bike is worth the extra effort. Lovely bike.

will get the dslr out and post some more detailed photos.
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Truly a “grail” to me - not necessarily the particular model but finding a time capsule - no worrying about preserving patina vs renovating- just ride the darn thing and enjoy the time capsule... (please ride it!).

you have scored a beautiful bike - enjoy!
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Truly a “grail” to me - not necessarily the particular model but finding a time capsule - no worrying about preserving patina vs renovating- just ride the darn thing and enjoy the time capsule... (please ride it!).

you have scored a beautiful bike - enjoy!
thanks. I will definitely ride it in my vintage town of Portsmouth nh. Downtown is less than 2 miles away with new bike lanes just installed .
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What a gem! I'd like to ask a favor. Would you please post a bunch of detail photos? Pre war roadsters are so rare here. I've never owned one. When questions about the older models come up, I generally only have grainy catalog scans to use as references. Don't blame you for splurging on period grips, this bike is worth the extra effort. Lovely bike.
Would these grips be correct?
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Would these grips be correct?
I don"t think so. Judging from the catalog picture, they appear to be a longer version of the grips on this 1930s loop frame. The catalog pictures confirm that, for some reason in the 30s, rod braked bikes came with short grips and caliper brakes had longer grips. It's hard enough to research original grips from the 50s. Not many good pictures of 30s grips to reference.


edit...Since the hunt for correct, or at least somewhat correct grips might be rather lengthy, I recommend the reproduction "R" bullet grips available on eBay as a stop gap.
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I also wanted to thank you for the detail pictures. I got some detail information I didn't know before. The top tube lugs are similar to my 51, but are rounder, less pointy at the front and the seat tube lug is shaped. By 51 the seat tube lug had a plain joint at the top tube. The barrel adjuster on the shifter cable is fluted instead of knurled. The stem is necked down before the patent stamped clamp. The levers, or at least one, is stamped "patent" on the thin forward face. Many other features survived until at least 1951. Like the use of gun barrel bluing on cable clips and nuts, the cloth covered cable housings, the reg. number on the front mudguard and those beautiful pedals with the curved sided diamond shaped end plates with the splayed out tips. A wealth of information here!
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