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Old 11-30-18, 10:21 PM
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Another bad day at C&V Sales forum for me......

Another had experience at C&V sales forum.
Shot a first dibs/intent to buy message on the sales ad and the item was then sold from under me! Second time this year with the same seller. Let it go the first time but twice in one year is too much. I know there are no rules on who the seller sells their items ultimately, but is there any honor in C&V sales forum??
I'm wondering who bought it, but then it's not really the buyer's responsibility on how other protective buyers are treated, good for him/her and no hate from me....
Otherwise my other purchases went well and I enjoyed buying from them tremendously. But this particular one.....no more......
Sorry for the rant but just can't believe my bad luck with this seller...... hope it does not happen to anyone else at C&V forum....
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Iím sorry to hear that. I think some people pm direct and bypass the thread, rather than bump it back up with an intent to buy post. Maybe not, but thatís what seems to happen a bit.


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Old 11-30-18, 10:48 PM
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It happens to each of us every now and then.

Think of it this way. The items you do get maybe get sold under others too.

Keep ya head up. I doubt the seller does it intentionally
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Old 11-30-18, 11:09 PM
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That always happens to me over on CR. Guess I'm just not on a few particular seller's "in" list.
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I had a similar issue once, but there were no hard feelings when I lost out. One made their intention to buy known on the thread, the other via PM. We ended up resolving it by figuring out which post had the earlier timestamp. I guess that's the only fair way to do it.

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Thanks guys for sharing your own experiences, now I know it's just not me having this bad luck. Also all your encouragement.
Mehhh...I'll just go ahead and find something even better than what I lost out on at eBay to compensate......
Something cool to look forward to!
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Old 12-01-18, 05:59 AM
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You do realize that item was also posted on another forum, and that someone there beat you to it by an hour?

On a related note, I've been clearly burned, in that fashion, on the sales forum one time. Buyer had multiples of the same item, clearly stated I wanted one, seller acknowledged so, so I sent payment when I received the payment details. Seller then refunds my money, saying he screwed up, sorry.
Person who replied well after I did ended up getting one of the items, but not me. Seller has since posted up some very nice stuff, buy I've steadfastly refused to ever spend a dime with them again.
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Old 12-01-18, 07:37 AM
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nesteel- some folk just live scattered lives. Curious though.
The note that an item is for sale on another venue concurrently... what a complicated way to do it. Way back when I subscribed to the old bikelist version of the CR list. (what an archive to vanish)
Items for sale usually were sold very quickly. Maybe not today.

Reasonable to ask if one presents an item for sale here that this is the exclusive selling venue till sold or cancelled.
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When an item is very desireable it happens. Whenever I post limited edition mechanical keyboard keycaps on RED DIT I try to sell to the first one to respond. But more often than not you get 15 responses in less than 30 minutes. And sometimes you get people who come in late who offer even more than the asking price. It can be tempting to sell to the higher bidder.
With multiple items a seller might prefer selling it to a single seller before selling everything individually.

Ultimately it is up to the seller who he/she sells to. The only nasty move is taking your money and then refunding you a lot later.

EDIT: As a seller you want to sell as quickly as possible and reach as wide an audience as possible. Posting is the best way to do that.
Don't do that though when the website forbids it though.

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Old 12-01-18, 08:14 AM
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Been there as a buyer. I felt let down right afterwards. Angry. But looking back at the communications, I realized I was vague. Everybody involved was above board in the deal. It was an unfortunate mixup that ended amiably.




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Old 12-01-18, 08:26 AM
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Can be tough when this happens, but if I want something I aggressively ask for a PP addy.

I tend to pay immediately.

That's how I bought my Weigle.

just my two cents.
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Some other Forums I belong to do not allow direct response to the ad itself. So the first PM would be the winner. This would stop the Ad from turning into a thread that has nothing to do with the sellers Ad.
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Old 12-01-18, 08:45 AM
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At least you had an excuse, for me I personally have let three amazing and well priced framesets go to others because of my foolish frugality.

Oh the amazing Gazzelle frameset was even within driving distance, my size. I didn't try for it, and it sat for sale. Then it turned out to have quite a solid provenance and was vetted by forum members. It sold within hours after that

I'd like to apologize to one forum member who went out of their way to fashion a custom cassette when I was thinking of buying such a thing, but instead I went with new from the UK. Thanks for taking the time to try and help me
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Thing is, I always considered my posts with the statement calling out an intent to buy as a sort of contract/commitment to buy from the person posting the first of such (Not just a PM is coming.) that should be given a higher priority that a direct email as it is a public notice of your intent to buy which you can be held accountable because everyone can see your post it in the sales forum. Just like when you are held accountable, when you bid on an item at an auction site. Just keeps things open, transparent and honorable.....
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Iím sorry, but this is a little ridiculous. Yes it sucks missing out on an item, but to automatically assume it was sold out from under you? Iíd really like to see your attempts to purchase from Craigslist.
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Old 12-01-18, 09:28 AM
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That situation hasn’t happened to me that I can think of or have noticed. It certainly would be frustrating. I have to say though this community has been a wonderful resource and at worst only the rare mildly frustrating encounter.

Since we are approaching Festivus season though, I will take an opportunity of airing a grievance. That is the lack of an acknowledgement after providing pics, detailed messages and info of an item for sale or trade. It is a bigger problem on another site that many of us frequent but occasionally happens here. After getting a part or bike out, putting it in good light, taking several photos, making measurements, loading it onto a photo hosting site, it would be the adult response to say at least” thanks but no thanks” ; you can even make something up “I got a speeding ticket and can’t afford it now”. Just a response is the polite thing to do. The no reply thing happens probably more than on Craigslist.

Worst example is recently I exchanged several messages with a guy interested in my son’s old 24” cross bike. This is from a reply to a “want to buy” thread. I was busy with work for a few days and told him I would let him know when it was boxed up so he could pay me when it was ready to go. Three days later I send the message, 2 months later the bike is still boxed up in my basement.
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Iím sorry, but this is a little ridiculous. Yes it sucks missing out on an item, but to automatically assume it was sold out from under you? Iíd really like to see your attempts to purchase from Craigslist.
Let it happen to you twice from the same seller within a year and let's see how you would feel.... I wouldn't have minded too much once, but twice, and the explanation is exactly the same?
I can always buy that same item no problem at eBay no problem even at a much higher price, if and whenever I want to and I certainly don't consider it the end of the world losing out on it this time as I got a lot of better stuff than what it was, but it's very disappointing when such things happen within a forum community that I always felt otherwise, takes care of each other.
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Sometimes when I list things, I get responses while working. Trying to keep track of who is first can get a bit difficult. I get a PM, the person pays, but never posted to the thread his intent to buy on the thread. I look at the thread and there is now another guy laying claim but never messaged me. One time I had a person post on the thread his intention to buy an item, then disappears for two days without answering messages. I ended up selling it to the second guy in line and then I felt bad when the first guy finally came back and was disappointed. I make mistakes, It is never personnel. I try hard to be fair.
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I have had people complain to me when situations like the OP's crop up. I am not being unfair - ever! As others have mentioned, the item might be for sale on Ebay, craigslist or any other place, for that matter, even local purchasers.

I do not sit by the computer, hoping for something to happen. When I see two committed buyers, for the same item, I go to the record to see who spoke first. That is the buyer who gets. I should add that I try to let the looser know what happened, to avoid his or her hard feelings towards me. Best I can do.
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I've had "intent to buy" posts sniped by 30 seconds or so on occasion. Usually I had procrastinated for a cup of hot chocolate, or tried to do some research on the part beforehand.

I would accept a response from a seller that was selling 10 items, and I only wanted one, and another buyer chose all 10.

However, usually dealings with Bike Forum people go well.

On the other hand, I've had several flaky Craigslist sellers. Commit to a buy. Head to the designated meeting place (frequently 10 to 15 miles by bike pulling a trailer). And, the seller sells it out from under me while I'm on the road. Two of them now have gone completely silent. No texts, no answering phone, and no e-mails, and I'm left waiting.
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Just use the Ebay mantra and remind yourself, "another one will come along sooner or later".
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Just use the Ebay mantra and remind yourself, "another one will come along sooner or later".
I use that too for a few missed auctions, or when something is too expensive. Or, when I look back in the history and see stuff selling for half the price.

Not that I always get the good deals.

Some really rare stuff may not ever come up again.
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I've had zero problems on C&V sales and trades, but CL is full of people who commit to a sale and then back out as if it were an auction.
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I've had zero problems on C&V sales and trades, but CL is full of people who commit to a sale and then back out as if it were an auction.
I wish. Two recent deals in the last two months have gone poorly.

To the OP: as I see it, the item wasn't sold out from under you, you just weren't the first buyer. Now, the seller should've mentioned the item was crossposted. I can't speak for your previous experience, but merely checking the time stamps on your reply versus the other reply on the other forum, you got tree'd. Simple as that.
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Lol....was burned by some responding to this thread and they KNEW I was first up! First PM or timestamp doesn't matter . I just tend to move on
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