JaccoW

As someone who used to work in a store that sold hiking boots; US made shoes were notorious for being very wide, too wide for most people.

A size 44EU/10UK/11US is about average for men in the Netherlands, most require something between a 42 and a 46.

John E

When I worked at a bike shop in the early 1970s, we had similar country-specific advice for buyers of cycling shoes, steering folks with narrower feet to Italian shoes, wider feet to Belgian shoes.

Salamandrine 

Too wide for me usually as well. People's feet have gotten fatter since I was a kid. Strange but true. I'm a D width, which at the time was considered medium-wide. While D is nominally considered medium, in practice nowadays I'm told I have narrow feet.

Be careful about shoe size conversion charts. They are wildly contradictory and usually wrong. Best to know your sizes in both EU as well as US/UK/JP or whatever. IME 11US is closer to 45EU

bikemig 

back in the day we were all eroica riders but just didn't know it . . .

bikemig 

This sort of thread pops up on a regular basis but these shoes look like a winner to me especially since I use platform pedals on my old MTBs. WIth toe clips and straps, you must use a deep clip, right? I've been thinking of getting the MKS deep clips to use with shoes like this.

Pompiere

This is why I never order shoes, I have to try them on first. I have had shoes in size 9, 9 1/2, and 10 that all fit the same. Additionally, I have a low instep, so even a medium width shoe fits loose.

jimmuller 

Um, not especially deep. I have different size clips on my various bikes and I've rarely felt a need to swap them out for something different. I can go check if you'd like.

noglider 

I wonder why Americans (some of us, anyway) have such wide feet. Maybe it's from mixing genes from many places. My feet are so wide that there are really no shoes that fit. Next time I go shoe shopping, I'll go to the place that only has orthopedic shoes, because I'm serious when I say no shoes fit me. The length of my feet measures to be size 11 US, but I buy size 12 just so my toes fit, and they still don't really fit.

bikemig 

Nah, but thanks for offering. I'm leaning towards these and from what I've read on the boards, a lot of people are using deep clips to accommodate the larger toe box on these shoes (larger than old school cycling shoes). But what the heck, I'm a fan of trial and error

Classtime 

I'm going to try this. My last two years of training and riding EroicaCA, I used my old and ready-for-the-trash road shoes with a slotted piece of rubber sole from the cobbler that I glued to bottom. They worked fine and I had no problem with the velcro strap getting caught (Sidi Megas). Recent WWW searches turned up folks who had used thin plywood and aluminum to stiffen the shoe to good effect.

JaccoW

Partially it is because of genes but more often than not it's from being overweight or just heavier in general. Age plays a big role too as most people get wider feet as they get older.

If you have really side feet, consider Meindl's comfort line or Han Wag's wider models when it comes to hiking boots or walking shoes.

noglider 

@JaccoW, that makes sense but it's not a complete explanation. I've always been thin. I couldn't be overweight if I tried.

I'll look for those shoes, so thank you.

alexnagui

SVB Handmade Cycling Shoes - Black

These ones look nice but they are not cheap. Has someone tried them?

noglider 

Those look great! But I bet I might not even fit in them if they came in a size 50.

Ferrouscious 

Nike Air Mavin 2 basketball shoes. Look pretty similar to some of the touring SPD shoes. I've had people ask if they're cycling specific shoes. About 50-60 US dollars.

MarcoBianchi

They are regular shoes made of leather or synthetic material in various colours, comfy and indestructible!
Mine have been kicking 15 years!

https://www.amazon.com/CAMPER-Pelota.../dp/B00R936OPG

MarcoBianchi

This will be the next...
https://www.amazon.es/Camper-Pelotas...12381463&psc=1

crank_addict

I happen to use a number of pedals and type, clipped to clipless, SPD, Look.

Various shoes, of course but for clipped- plastic cleat goes with aluminum cage and the steel cleat used for steel pedal cage (none of that relative to the toe clip and strap).

If I had to select only one shoe as the multi pedal use, would select a circa 1990ish Vittoria MTB shoe with recessed SPD cleat. These shoes are the boss. Have owned two pairs and soon need to shop another.

Excellent design and my fave for comfort. Other reasons:
Stiff sole, I guess they call it carbon but seems like a hard composite plastic.

Mild sole lugs, recessed cleat and easy to walk in.

Breathable mesh but mostly leather upper, shoe laces (yeah!) and then they get covered with a leather tongue that adjust tension by hook and loop strap (Velcro). Great design that protects the laces and as the foot progressively swells during the day, really can fine tune the comfort.

Again though, these are for SPD yet I often use them with vintage toe clip pedals and straps. For the old pedal setup, its a good shoe for balance of locking in and ease of release. But for aggressive cadence, climbs, I still prefer the old slotted cleats and shoes.

jdsyachts

A propane torch is not too much but may discolor the arm. If you use an oxy acetylene torch first use the acetylene only to blacken the arms then start heating. When the black soot starts to clear stop heating - it acts

jefscolnago

I think it's funny that they call cages clips and clips clipless...

Salamandrine 

It seems nonsensical now, but lots of English words have shifted meanings like that. It made sense in the 80s. At any rate I never ever heard anyone call toe clips cages back in the toe clip era. It was always toe clips. I suppose it could be a regional thing.

Veering slightly OT. Does anyone remember when Look pedals came with a template for your shoes, and you had to drill three holes and mount T nuts in them? It wasn't that fun to do.

voraus

I have used shot put shoes for several years as a commuter. They are smooth soled, low toe box, stiffer than indoor soccer shoes (I have also used Adidas Sambas a lot with toe cages), tough and can be found often at the end of track season (late summer) at discounted prices. Look for Asics Throw Pro or Adidas Adizero as examples. There are a couple of variations. Some shoes are for gliders using the older sliding technique and some are for rotational throwers using the discus style spin. The gliders were my preference as they didn't wrap the sole around the shoe as much.

arimajol

I use pedals with clips when I commute. I like to wear hiking shows with vibram soles, like merrel. Softer soles make my toes get numb and don't feel as good.

Miele Man

Are you using a genuine pedal wrench?

https://www.continentalski.com/image...h-41134-11.jpg

I once had a stuck pedal that i was trying to remove with a normal car mechanic 15mm wrench,. I put an extension over the 15mm wrench and snapped the wrench into 2 pieces. If the bicycles is off the stand and the opposite crank arm is secured to the chainstay with a strap or something then you can get a lot more leverage on the wrench. Also, a genuine pedal wrench has slots in different locations so that you can get the wrench onto the pedal with the best orientation for applying pressure. I was taught by my dad (a Class-A licensed auto-mechanic) that giving the wrench a sharp rap with a mallet would often loosen the stuck nut. I think of it as being akin to using an impact hammer.

If you do not have a proper pedal wrench perhaps your local bicycle shop would remove the pedal for you?

Good luck and cheers

WGB 

Opps!! Let this thread get away. Yes, pedals off and now have mountain bike pedals on (as well as 700 rims and cyclross tires). Poor bike. It went from being a garage queen to being a winter beater.