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Old 12-14-18, 06:56 PM
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Hi guys (and gals too),
I must say that even though I've been a member for some time, I have't posted much. BUT I've felt compelled to comment here. I have had nothing but good feedback and great experiences here, even through PMs. This is contrast to some other forums ( hifi audio stuff) of which I am a member. On those forums there are lots of what I call "audio snobs". Having never gone anywhere but the C&V forums here, I can only say that almost every topic and every post I've read tries to offer the OP good solid advice.
Regarding what others might consider taboos, doing a "tribute" is not the end of the world, as long as it is a tongue-in-cheek tribute (was there a "7-11 tribute bike" here?) or is stated as a reproduction. No harm, no foul. Say you have the exact same frame as a famous race bike. You upgrade the parts to what the original equipment that the original famous bike would have, and perhaps do an as original "halo" paint job, decals, etc. This represents a significant investment. Would I do this? No, but I understand the appeal.
Now regarding faking a bike as something it is in no way related to what it is or being made to appear to be to be a rare or expensive bike. This is what everyone should convince someone from doing. Say good parts on a cheap frame. This is what I call fraudeulent if the goal is to cheat someone. As far as updating a bike with reasonable newer parts is no problem to me. Bicycles that ate ridden wear out parts.
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Old 12-14-18, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hudson308 View Post
It's been interesting to me that this sub forum is the only consistently civil one on bikeforums.net. I rarely stray to the other ones because of that. It's getting to be a mean world out there. Thanks to all of you who provide a bit of shelter from that.
I've made the mistake of mentioning my fondness for platform pedals, stem shifters and safety levers on other sub groups here. It didn't go well.
Things I'm free to admit here.
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Old 12-14-18, 08:06 PM
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You should at least mispell the name....
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Originally Posted by uncle uncle View Post
I need to earnestly worked towards that goal, and join some of the C&V bicycle brothers and sisters on a ride.
Well, there are some announcements here in C&V. There are google calendars for this stuff, and digital social media are becoming good for spreading the word. Facebook is now telling me about events I might want to attend. There's one in PA I think I won't do, but there's one in upstate New York I'm considering. It's more of a race, and there won't be old bikes there except for mine, but that's OK.
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Old 12-14-18, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jjhabbs View Post
..... I have a freaking bicycle museum in my basement.....
Say what?

Have you posted pics somewhere?
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Old 12-15-18, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocky Gravol View Post
I've made the mistake of mentioning my fondness for platform pedals, stem shifters and safety levers on other sub groups here. It didn't go well.
Things I'm free to admit here.
i enjoyed stem shifters in the 70's, had them on my first Nishiki international. a great bike and over the top fun. in the end, any kind of shifter is fine. your safety levers and platform pedals are good too because you ride and not taking up real estate on the couch while doing so. that count's for a lot.


I think this is the most friendly forum Ive known, I dont remenber any unpleasant answer for my stupid questions or about my horrible english.
pretty much. most Road forums are concerned the hot new whatever. for me it is about function, does the thing ride?

yes.

good then 'shut up and ride'. that is what we used to say on a motorcycle forum....and what we like about C and V, my stuff is not high end, but high enuf and better than most out there who care less about bikes.

thanks all. the enthusiasm for this old stuff just keeps us going.
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Old 12-15-18, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
I hate to be old and cranky, but I was here on the day this forum was founded. Thankfully, it's never been a nasty place or really even much less than really, really kindly. I am sure there's been the occasional snark, but for the internet, this place is remarkable.

I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.

And I've met you, and a very interesting other guy (Sykerocker). And was invited to the bicycle yard sale, and it was great. Nothing but good.
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You should make that bike actually ridable by modernizing it with an electric motor and disk brakes....
Do NOT feed the wildlife! You never, ever know what he'll do.
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Old 12-15-18, 11:29 PM
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Interesting thread. I am new to this forum. I just posted about a vintage Gitane i picked up today. Sure it is gas pipe entry level etc but it is going to be fun to make it rideable and pretty again.I am not in it for the money but for the fun. Lots of great info on this site.
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Old 12-16-18, 01:16 AM
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Iíve only been treated with kindness, and respect since joining the forum, and Iíve asked a number of eye rolling questions, or made otherwise annoying posts. Well there was one instance were a member came off like a total dick. I ignored it, and he later apologized without any prompting lol. Pretty cool.

While my personal experience has been 99.9% positive, Iíve also observed some folks treating a few others not so gently on occasion. Unfortunate sure, but overall this is the without doubt the most respectful, and civilly behaved discussion forum Iíve ever seen online. And the generosity of knowledge, experience, support, and sometimes material here is always amazing to me.

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Old 12-16-18, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocky Gravol View Post
I've made the mistake of mentioning my fondness for platform pedals, stem shifters and safety levers on other sub groups here. It didn't go well.
Things I'm free to admit here.
Hahahaha. Rocky, you suck and your bikes suck. And your mama dresses you funny.

(Obviously, kidding!)

I'm a big fan of platform pedals myself, all of my bikes have them, except for the few that have those silly triangular Shimano 105 dealies with toeclips. And before I discovered they weren't "cool," I had stem shifters on my one and only bike for the longest time, my '72 Lambert that was equipped with all the old crap I took off my bent 1970s Le Tour. I still have those stem shifters and will probably put them on something, someday.

I remember well that rock-solid-gorgeous Peugeot you brought to that ride we did from Issaquah up to Marymoor Park and beyond that one day; hope to see it again.
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Old 12-16-18, 05:53 AM
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Great thread. Luckily, the C&V crowd is one of the best of the many forums I frequent. ��
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I mostly agree.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.

Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.

Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.

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Old 12-16-18, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by deux jambes View Post
Well there was one instance were a member came off like a total dick. I ignored it, and he later apologized without any prompting lol. Pretty cool.

Again, I'm sorry- and still feel really bad about that- I misread your reply to my post and thought you were accusing me of lying.

If I wouldn't have gone downstairs to take pix and post them to prove I wasn't lying, I wouldn't have realized you didn't say I was lying.

On the plus side- there's now current pix demonstrating the winding direction of silver and gold cantilever springs!
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Again, I'm sorry- and still feel really bad about that- I misread your reply to my post and thought you were accusing me of lying.

If I wouldn't have gone downstairs to take pix and post them to prove I wasn't lying, I wouldn't have realized you didn't say I was lying.

On the plus side- there's now current pix demonstrating the winding direction of silver and gold cantilever springs!

As mentioned, no hard feelings. I was steaming in the moment, but chose not to react. I think thatís key. Too often folks respond hastily, and emotionally on social media. Some pretty brutal confrontations can come to a head. Thatís no fun except for the most childish of spectators imo.

When you offered your apology and explanation, I was absolutely thrilled. Not because of any sense of self gain, but because of your display of humility. I think any time we can role model to others in that way, weíre offering the world something it can really use.

Now, I owe an apology. Iím certain that I deleted the thread. I didnít consider that it technical benefit to future readers. That may have been haste, and shortsighted.

I do remember the photo you snapped of the springs. I thought ďthatís the best damn shot of springs Iíve ever seen!Ē
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Originally Posted by 1987 View Post
I mostly agree.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.

Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.

Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.
Safety Police = thinnest of the skinned and rightfully so for themselves I suppose.
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As mentioned, no hard feelings. I was steaming in the moment, but chose not to react. I think that’s key. Too often folks respond hastily, and emotionally on social media. Some pretty brutal confrontations can come to a head. That’s no fun except for the most childish of spectators imo.

When you offered your apology and explanation, I was absolutely thrilled. Not because of any sense of self gain, but because of your display of humility. I think any time we can role model to others in that way, we’re offering the world something it can really use.

Now, I owe an apology. I’m certain that I deleted the thread. I didn’t consider that it technical benefit to future readers. That may have been haste, and shortsighted.

I do remember the photo you snapped of the springs. I thought “that’s the best damn shot of springs I’ve ever seen!”
No one likes to be wrong- when I'm wrong and realize I'm wrong- I've learned some really cool things. For example: it makes all the sense in the world that manufacturers of tubing stamp their tubing- not the manufacturer of the frame. I would have expected that a Reynolds steerer would be stamped by Reynolds, but I was very surprised that Tange (who makes their own tubing) stamped the steerer when they built the fork from Reynolds tubing. That was neat.

On the other hand, when some people are wrong and get defensive and accusatory- I don't react well to that. For example: the guy who didn't like that I informed him that Suntour Barcons are not Retrofriction. I was accused of being "not helpful" and "thread crapping." I didn't take that well- but I didn't feel I needed to.

Regarding the canti springs- I'm sure you did the same thing I did- Googled it- found the BMX thread. I KNOW there's a difference- and know that it's related to what direction the spring is wound... I ran into it when overhauling my roller cams years ago- and I've had several sets of Shimano and DiaCompe cantilevers. Since then I've made sure to keep the springs with their respective caliper- I still couldn't tell you which side the gold and silver springs go on by memory...
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
I am sure there's been the occasional snark, but for the internet, this place is remarkable.

I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.
Being 6'5, I know a thing or two about setups to make a bike fit vs looking perfect!
And agreed that this is a rare site for the internet when it comes to politeness and support.

I admittedly have commented, in a perhaps negative way about a handful of times, on the setup of other poster's bikes. Its been in an attempt to make sure they know the setup is anything but traditional. I could see it being taken negatively, but it isnt meant that way.
if the setup they have is done for something like long arms, limited mobility, etc then great and fine.
if the setup they have done is due to a simple lack of understanding, then it's perhaps helpful to point out the non-traditional part of the setup.

an example is bars that are tilted upwards and brake levers mounted super high up on the bars.
if those things are needed to get the bike to fit, then cool. But those things usually lead to pain(bent wrists for example) so if that can be avoided then all the better.


its a fine line for sure. This forum is better than anywhere else of toeing that fine line.
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I have gotten away from BF the last year or so, not for any particular reason other than I was spending to much time here. This thread has gotten me back into the site. I have dropped all but one Facebook bike site and thinking of dropping it.
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Well said . . . and it needed to be said.
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Many ways to say the same thing

There are many wants to say the same thing.

I guess that all of us amateurs are looking for constructive criticism regarding our projects or goals.

Forums and emails are a pretty cold way to communicate and sometimes a message can come across as harsh even though it wasn't meant that way.

So I'd say that responders should try to make their messages honest and straightforward but not harsh. And the recipient should try to accept the comments in the spirit in which they are offered.

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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
I like how C&V is a holistic section where we talk about more than bikes, and off topic threads are not thrown out. We also allow discussion of new bikes, of rides, of mechanics, and so much more. And yes, people are generally very nice.

yes - me too.

the fine folks on here have in the past allowed me to rail away on topics as diverse as

my divorce
vintage cars
new steel track bike build
comparisons of new carbon bike to my favorite vintage bike

--- oh, and plenty of vintage bike discussion too
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