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Old 01-03-19, 10:44 AM
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This has been a good discussion, and I can certainly see the advantages of using an e-bike to help with mobility.

I think that a person's situation may change over the course of time. The change might necessitate the use of conveniences or aides just to enjoy life as fully as possible. I'd not preclude that myself, because you never know.

For what it's worth, I like to ride my bike.
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^^Good comeback used above by tengrainbread
'The Club'. Ha

Criticism is good. It opens a dialogue of reasons for or against and hopefully lead to a better understanding.

The timing of this thread is pretty good too, going into this 2019. Just today had a conversation with a friend, fairly avid road cyclist 67 years of age. I acquired a classic from him a few years back and we still occasionally meet up. Fun fellow to ride with, he holds a good pace and puts a good workout in. He has some heart condition concerns and was advised to back off strenuous activity. Cycling at his current level is not advised. Though he likes riding with his middle aged son and sporty group rides, he's bummed this latest news might be a game changer. His son likes to ride fast, also competes in amateur tri events, is also very understanding and likely keep riding with his father but was only thinking for townie leisure. I told him to explore a higher tech road e-bike pedal assist. Hopefully it might be the solution and keep him in the 'club'.

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What I did was, bought one for my wife a Trek Verve+, then I bought a long seat post (she's 5') and put an Ideale Saddle on it, so I could ride it. So technically I dont have an ebike...but they are sure fun to ride and great for lugging 30+ of groceries back from the market!
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Old 01-03-19, 11:25 AM
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E-bikes have been around long enough that they now fit one definition of "C&V" (Cheap and Varied Bicycles) I know disabled folks and elderly (a group which includes me) who embrace them and they are more practical for most than those little electric mobility scooters.

I was a regular cyclist/bike commuter all my life, but retired and devoted my time and energy to building and finishing our current home. Family, social and church activity left me no time to ride plus I had lost my "riding" legs so never rode any real distance. I was walking up every steep hill. As I got older, health problems slowed me down even more.

In 2016 I got a pedal assist E-bike, new in the box for $300 (down from its original $3000). I rode regularly & it could easily top hills. My health improved, I got my riding legs back.

I now rotate thru all my C&V bikes. The E-bike, with its milk crate cargo hold, is for larger grocery runs that will be more than just a small bag, but it's really my least ridden bike. Don

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I think the term e-bike is way to broad and vague... one person's ebike is another person's electric moped (with pedals for legal purposes)

I see a lot of good use potential in pedal assisted bikes, where you have to pedal, can't start without pedalling, but you can get a variable assist. Assist should be limited to maybe 18 mph or so.

I don't think anyhing that you don't have to pedal to start and to move should be considered a moped and should be treated as motor vehicles (license, safety, insurance)

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Embrace the E-Bike! Though not perfect, it is on the path to the future, assuming that the human species has a future, on this planet.

The E-Bike of today is nothing to get all excited about. But wait until you see the E-Bike of tomorrow. It will work. It will be energy efficient. And it might even look good. Of course, by then we will have the E-Car and E-Bikes will fall out of favor. Then we will have E-Cars and bicycles. Works for me.
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How will I react to E-bikes?" With shock.
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One further thought on the subject: If the electric bike still has pedals, and those pedals have to be used as part of the power (electric assist), it's a bicycle.

If, however, it's a bicycle-sized vehicle with no pedals, or the pedals aren't necessarily needed for forward motion, it's a moped. Which, under Virginia law, necessitates license, registration, 17-digit VIN, a helmet, and some form of picture ID when riding.
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I see a lot of good use potential in pedal assisted bikes, where you have to pedal, can't start without pedalling, but you can get a variable assist. Assist should be limited to maybe 18 mph or so.ymmv
Mine's an early one(2013?) and built to comply with the European rules of the time, so cuts off at 25kph = 15.5 mph. The assist sensor is based on pedal rotation, so you have to start off & get it moving before you get any help at all, and whenever you coast, the assist cuts off. Ideal to coax you into fitness, since if you want any speed, you have to do your share. Low price was a special circumstance, as supposedly had a dead Lithium battery but with a wiring mod, it charged & worked as new.

Mine weighs 58 pounds and has an 8 speed Shimano IGH. Once back in shape, going uphill in 1st gear without assist was similar to my younger memories of a loaded touring bike uphill: do-able but definitely burning some calories. Don
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Here's some pics new, when first started riding it, then with the milk crate. I moved the Brooks to a bike I ride more & put the original saddle back on. Don
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I realize I am in the minority and the idea of a bike you don't have to pedal is really appealing to the general population. Not too dissimilar to self driving cars.
My understanding is that this isn't what an e-Bike is. I thought they were just like real bikes expect that there was an electric motor available to give you assistance on demand. Is that not true anymore.

My daughter's friends have been asking me if I'm going to get a e-bike. I think they're really hoping the answer will be yes, because as a 19 year old boy you really don't want to have to face the fact that your friend's fat 49 year old dad is more athletic than you are. But, sadly, I am.
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Originally Posted by ollo_ollo View Post
As I got older, health problems slowed me down even more.

In 2016 I got a pedal assist E-bike, new in the box for $300 (down from its original $3000). I rode regularly & it could easily top hills. My health improved, I got my riding legs back.
I think this is the best argument out there for e-bikes and is why I will probably own one someday. If I had a health problem this year that made me unable to ride the bikes I have, I would buy an e-bike immediately. Even without a serious health problem, I was never particularly athletic and even at 49 I am riding dramatically slower than I was just five years ago.
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My understanding is that this isn't what an e-Bike is. I thought they were just like real bikes expect that there was an electric motor available to give you assistance on demand. Is that not true anymore.

My daughter's friends have been asking me if I'm going to get a e-bike. I think they're really hoping the answer will be yes, because as a 19 year old boy you really don't want to have to face the fact that your friend's fat 49 year old dad is more athletic than you are. But, sadly, I am.
Many E bike forums including this, Bike Forums can decipher the differences. Also, States vary on e bike description and may or may not have seperate classifications -affecting regulations.

Pedal assist type can also have optional throttle override. There's hub motors to mid-drives that fit virtually any bike, including vintage.
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I know/knew a fellow in end stage COPD, could barely walk 50' w/o a rest stop. For a few years got around Salem Oregon's down town area well on a Mt. Bike. Later went to a RAD Wagon cargo bike with optional throttle only. He used it w/o pedaling and put more than 5,000 miles in. before he went into hospice care near the end. Don
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IBut I begrudgingly realized that walkers, runners, baby strollers, dog owners, and head set wearers weren't my enemy... everyone NOT using the path was the real enemy.
Itll be even more rewarding when you realize that those who dont use a path and instead drive a car arent your enemy. They simply chose to use a different mode of transport at that point in time.
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I'd like to convert my tadpole trike to e-assist.
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I'd like to convert my tadpole trike to e-assist.
Heck yea-

Oddly enough, have two semi-recumbent's that could appear as E bikes. Giant Revive and Bike-E
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How will I react to E-bikes?
Am I required to react?
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The legislation package that is being passed state by state recently, is spearheaded by http://bpsa.org. and legally changes the definition of electric powered bicycles to equate them with bicycles. If this effort was directed by AARP or some other advocacy group with a goal of increasing access for disabled persons, I would applaud it since such groups would advocate for speeds less than 15mph. However the legislation is driven by business interests. There is little infrastructure for bicycles that travel at reasonable speeds (check out the thread about decreasing numbers of bicycle commuters)powered by reasonable people with reasonable experience bicycling. To share this infrastructure with overpowered motorbikes driven by inexperienced drivers the majority of whom are out to have 28mph bike path fun is a bad idea -- unless you have one or want to sell one.

edit: If I was a weekend road cyclist, I could ignore this electric-motor-bike-is-a-bicycle thing because I rarely see one on my road rides. However, I spend about 12 hours per week commuting on a bike path that parallels congested surface streets and this path is increasingly frequented by overpowered motorized bikes. Motorized bikes were never permitted on the bike path for good reasons. Now, because -- batteries -- motor bikes on a bike path are ok? I think we have to ask, "Why weren't mopeds and other small displacement motor bikes allowed on bike paths in the good old days?" What has changed? People are not smarter or luckier and more able to avoid accidents. On my commute, I pass by a park with fire rings and dozens of signs posted that say, "DO NOT STEP IN THE FIRE PITS!" If we need those signs, we are not ready for motor bikes on the MUPs.

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Itll be even more rewarding when you realize that those who dont use a path and instead drive a car arent your enemy. They simply chose to use a different mode of transport at that point in time.
Yeah, I didn't do a very good job of choosing my words. I didn't mean to blame anyone specifically, or even cars. I was trying to express that the infrastructure for supporting a car-centric community often is at odds with the other infrastructure for other modes of transportation. Only so many pesos to go around.
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E-Bikes and fitness

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In Seattle I think the majority of Lime Bikes are now e. Also new on the street are the Jump, all those are e. I look at them as future garbage. Not earth friendly, not a good choice for fitness either.
I have two e-bikes, one MTB and one Road. (Also have the same without motors. Invariably my average Hear Rate is 4%-5% higher when i ride my E-Bikes, the only difference is that i am going faster. Average HR on my Non E bikes is 73% and on the E-Bikes 78%, so IMHO the E-Bikes are giving me a better workout than my Non E=Bikes.
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I donít have a long commute but I was thinking about picking up an e bike just so I wouldnít be sweaty when I go up the lone hill on my trip. I donít stop sweating until ~10 minutes after I get to the office, so Iíve got that going for me.
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Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
I take a look at most "new" stuff. I have seen a number of e-bikes and they seem to be a more complicated solution to an existing problem, so I don't think there is one in my future. I realize I am in the minority and the idea of a bike you don't have to pedal is really appealing to the general population. Not too dissimilar to self driving cars.
you guys are muppets, most MTB bikes are pedal assist you still have to pedal to make them go so no free ride, maybe go ride one before placing comments, maybe then u will be a convert too, by the way no I donít ride an ebike, not yet anyway
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Well here in New Zealand they arent a thing of the future, they're here, and the numbers grow daily.
We've just returned from 3 weeks away in our motorhome (with an ebike on the back) and the majority of touring cyclists were on ebikes.
And the tourists bring their own. Met Canadians and Americans (and Germans) who were here riding the length of the country on ebikes they brought from home. Tourism is one of NZ's biggest earners and the Govt is spending millions $ putting in riding tracks right through the country. Mountain biking on ebikes has really taken off and our local bike shop has a waiting list for one particular commuter style ebike priced at around NZ$4000.
Just hope its not a fad as some here have suggested, as NZ will have a lot of redundant equipment, and trails.
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