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Old 01-09-19, 11:21 AM
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Your choice of tires and wheelsets?

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I am in need of new wheelset on my '89ish De Rosa SLX. Never really had sew-ups so I want to give it a shot, just not really sure which way to go. I am 130LB small guy who doesn't mind narrow tires. My other bike, Master Piu is on Mavic GP4 with Vittoria Open Corsa G+ 23mm which I am very happy with.

What do you have on your vintage bike? Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance!
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Your Mavic GP4s are tubular rims; I don't know how you've fitted clincher tires.

Anyway, I've been on clinchers for the last few weeks, and until the weather improves. Open Pros and Grand Prix 4000 25mm tires for riding on gravel and mud. Like all clincher setups, they are heavy and slow. Cannot wait to get back on tubulars.

Tubular wheels for a vintage bike: I'm using GEL 280 rims on the front and 330s on the rear. Good if you are light and attentive. GP4s are tougher rims.

Check around local shops and clubs; they surely have someone who has some old tubular wheels collecting dust. I've never paid more than $100 for a wheelset, and that was for some C-Record hubs and Record Pave rims. New.
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Your Mavic GP4s are tubular rims; I don't know how you've fitted clincher tires.
Ah Thanks for pointing that out.
I have open 4 cd on the Master, and I have Mavic GP4 Rim, but haven't built the wheels yet.
Thanks for the Tips!

Many happy and safe miles to you.
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+1 for the tubulars . In the past I have used Vittoria Rally , sometimes they get a little lumpy around the valve stem . I have never had any trouble with them other than that .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Vittori...NQQl:rk:3:pf:0
On my Centurion IM I have a set of Continental Giro , I really like them they glue on nice and round and the ride quality is good .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-or-2-PAK-...k8tA:rk:8:pf:0
My Nishiki has Tufo's no problems .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-2-Tufo-...kOB:rk:26:pf:0
Note all these ads listed are for two tubulars . Another thing some tubulars can't be patched .
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I wore out my 330's and built some custom wheels with Hed C2's. Not gaudy, but not especially vintage looking... the braking is sublime though.

It's really a shame they're not making Pave's anymore... best tires ever.


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Lately I've been sort of pursuing the 7402/7403 hubs (that will take 8/9/10) and trying to get nice rims for them. I have a set with Matrix ISOII-C's and another with Velocity Aeroheads.

I'm currently stalking a set with Mavic GL330 tubulars laced in, NOS and never used on a bike. I will likely get them.

I like the hubs, a lot, and just look for a nice rim on them, or have them built by @speedevil.

For Campy, I like Chorus or Record hubs for 10-sp and down. My only Campy 11sp set are Bullets. Totally different animal.
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I like the Mavic 330's a lot. Still have a couple that need to be built up. I also have a set of Wolber Aspin on a bike and like how those ride as well. My current build will probably end up with Mavic GP4's.

edit: I really like Continental Sprinter tires and have moved toward Sprintr Gatorskin sew ups I my last couple purchases

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Three word recommendation: Ambrosio Nemesis tubular

This is the classic Flanders - Paris Roubaix rim that teams used to switch to for the cobbled classics before the wheel sponsors got that to stop.

My best wheelset is these rims on Dura Ace 7900 hubs with Challenge 25mm tubulars. I would run 28mm for more comfort (and speed - read the data) if they would fit on both the bikes I use these wheels with.
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I get the OP has an Italian ride but a fine considered tubular rim of the era would be Araya Aero --4-- . Not to be confused with the earlier --1--. In the 300gm range, improved spoke hole reinforcement, the mild aero shape 'might' help but I think its best for strength. You can risk lower spoke count for this rim. The brake surface is full anodized which is a minor negative.

+1 to the Dura Ace hubs. Magic in the bearings. Reliable.

Tubular choice is most subjective. Where and what type of riding, and what point is longevity going to pinch your budget, etc.. Pay more, get more. Though keep an eye on discount volume sellers. Vittoria Corsa, with graphene, Speeds jobbies in the $62 usd range. 25mm is good.

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So, if you already have the GP4 rims, you just need to get hubs to match the components on your De Rosa. If you are happy with the tires on your Master, Vittoria Corsa tubulars would be a good place to start the tubular experience.
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I'm riding GP4s on an 80s DeRosa Pro with Conti Sprinters (22mm). Love it. For me, this is a race bike, period. To ride it with 28s or 25s (for a slight rider) would change the ride 'feel' detrimentally.


As to tires - I feel that the best high-end clinchers are nearly equal to tubies, but they are as expensive - so my preference is tubulars given lighter wheelsets. The Vittoria Rally is not the tire for a DeRosa Pro - it has a thick cotton casing that really mutes road vibration. Just received some Conti Giro's that were recommended as a more supple alternative to the Rally (in the lesser expensive range). Have not ridden the Giro yet. Mentioned above, the Conti Sprinter, I like it for the firmness it delivers to the ride, the sidewalls are not so supple as many with high TPI. For other bikes where I seek a more supple tubular tire, my choice has been Veloflex in 25 and 28mm. The newest clinchers I have are Vittoria Corsa graphene with latex tubes = very very supple.

I have been a glue person as well, but the last set were taped on and the process was so easy and precise, that I may be using tubular tape going forward.

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I get the OP has an Italian ride but a fine considered tubular rim of the era would be Araya Aero --4-- . Not to be confused with the earlier --1--. In the 300gm range, improved spoke hole reinforcement, the mild aero shape 'might' help but I think its best for strength. You can risk lower spoke count for this rim. The brake surface is full anodized which is a minor negative.

+1 to the Dura Ace hubs. Magic in the bearings. Reliable.

Tubular choice is most subjective. Where and what type of riding, and what point is longevity going to pinch your budget, etc.. Pay more, get more. Though keep an eye on discount volume sellers. Vittoria Corsa, with graphene, Speeds jobbies in the $62 usd range. 25mm is good.
Rider is 130#, so no strength issues with rims, under normal riding conditions.
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https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../10962670.html = 23mm @ $60

https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../10854508.html = 22mm $70.

https://www.merlincycles.com/contine...yre-90715.html = 22mm @ $42.50

https://www.merlincycles.com/vittori...yre-87364.html = 23mm @ $60
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Wow, so many great informations!

I guess I will have to search through LBSs near me and find some vintage rims and see what they have, and decide whether go with gp4 or get some other rims in suggestion and start building the wheel.
As for the tires... I do like to stay in 19-23 range. However I am curious, how wide can I go with tires on vintage rims? I'd imagine at certain point tires would bulb out on narrower vintage rims and in worst case, not getting securely glued on. What would be your max tire width; 23mm? 25mm?

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I have are Vittoria Corsa graphene with latex tubes = very very supple.
Love those tires. I got whole bunch when it was on huge sales on Chain Reaction, took a while to get here but I was in no hurry. I do agree and want to keep the race feel of the bike.
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I would second (third?) the Mavic GL330's. At your weight, you shouldn't need heavy rims like the GP4's unless you ride on a lot of rough surfaces. As for tires either Vittoria Corsa's or Veloflex Criterium's would make a great riding, light combination if you go with the GL330's.

You have a great frame that deserves to have an equally great rim/tire combination.
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Originally Posted by flyingPiggy View Post

I guess I will have to search through LBSs near me and find some vintage rims and see what they have, and decide whether go with gp4 or get some other rims in suggestion and start building the wheel.
As for the tires... I do like to stay in 19-23 range. However I am curious, how wide can I go with tires on vintage rims?
27s on 330s... no problem.
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If you are contemplating wide tires and choose wide rims for said wide tires, keep in mind that wide rims don't work well with narrow (normal tubular)tires. For example: I built some Major Toms wheels for CX and later mounted some 25mm road tires. The radius of the Major Tom rim was too great for 25mm road tires.
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Ugh... Minor set back.
I can not use my GP4 as it has 32Hs but my C-record hubs are 28Hs...
Did quick search on ebay and CL, but not many 28h rims turns out. Is there ways to have 28H hub with 32H rim?
I will keep searching for Mavic GL330 28H but... sigh.
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I've seen it done , but I wouldn't do it . Just leave some spokes out , symmetrical of course .
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I like the Mavic 330's a lot. Still have a couple that need to be built up. I also have a set of Wolber Aspin on a bike and like how those ride as well. My current build will probably end up with Mavic GP4's.

edit: I really like Continental Sprinter tires and have moved toward Sprintr Gatorskin sew ups I my last couple purchases
I have a set of Wolber Aspin's built up with Edco Competition Hubs. So far out of 8 Tubular wheelsets these are my favourites.
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Here are some G.E.L. 280's on ebay. These would make a super light wheel/tire combo but may be too delicate for a lot of riding.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Vintage-M...cAAOSwmE5cLAF7

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-MAR...AAAOSwwrFZykCk
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