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jamesdak 01-10-19 07:47 PM

I do wonder how fragile these FD mounts are. Hopefully we never put these over on their side.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a1560bff4f.jpg

RobbieTunes 01-10-19 07:49 PM

Yep. Easiest to mount FD, ever. Good view of James' roller-cam bearing setup on the R8000 calipers.
Such a "Lay Down Sally" caliper position.

While I went with Chinese carbon on the saddle, post, and bars, James stuck with just-as-light Thomson/Easton and alloy on his.

Look at those red spokes. Someone was channeling Spinergy when they built those.

As much as I like mine for what it is, corresponding with James during the "process" made it meaningful. I'll remember it for that, long after I can't turn a crank. The thing to do now, is find some way to ride with him.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d8a922d7e1.jpg

GrainBrain 01-10-19 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742138)
Still in the top tier of aerodynamics for frames. Still banned by the UCI.

Okay that answers my question, why aren't they made still? Drool worthy.

Awesome thread guys, only early 2019 and this thread will probably be my favorite of the year!

RobbieTunes 01-10-19 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by seypat (Post 20742121)
There are 2 54s sitting on the DC CL.

Pat, I'm not saying one of these would solve your climbing problems, but it's the best climbing frame I've ever had.

My take is that "He Who Cannot Be Named" would have won the tour by 30 minutes or more, had they allowed this.
The other thing to note, is that no other team would have been able to ride them, painted to look like something else.

My dream Tour would have The Pirate on a celeste one. Unstoppable.

jamesdak 01-10-19 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742141)
As much as I like mine for what it is, corresponding with James during the "process" made it meaningful. I'll remember it for that, long after I can't turn a crank. The thing to do now, is find some way to ride with him.

We'll have to "meet in the middle" one day. :thumb:

Speaking of middles.....


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...37d9d32d8a.jpg

RobbieTunes 01-10-19 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by jamesdak (Post 20742165)
We'll have to "meet in the middle" one day. :thumb:

Yep, Colorado, Kansas?

Note that cable run from the stop to the BB. That is one long stretch.

jamesdak 01-10-19 08:14 PM

So true! The rest of that naked cable run....


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f1b87a2398.jpg

RobbieTunes 01-10-19 08:18 PM

I have that same bike stand, too. Very weird.
Two bikes, NIB frames only. Same color.
Both sold by dealers who closed their shops.
Both with parts from Merlin.
Both running Ultegra
Both with modern stems/bars
56cm
veterans

And both fit about the same.

Cosmic.


By the way, note how the RD cable mounts behind the RD on the R8000.

Those look like Keo2Max Carbon/Ti pedals. I have them on a Centurion, but definitely thought about it...

jamesdak 01-10-19 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742179)
I have that same bike stand, too.j Very weird.
Two bikes, NIB frames only. Same color.
Both sold by dealers who closed their shops.
Both with parts from Merlin.
Both running Ultegra
Both with modern stems/bars
And both fit about the same.


Cosmic.

And both owned by vets! :thumb:

Oh and Look Keo 2 Max pedals that were part of a package deal with a Look neck warmer and socks. I got them just because they matched the look I was after.

3speedslow 01-10-19 08:23 PM

You know, if Trek got ahold of this story and ran with it, things might happen...

Awesome bikes you two!

droppedandlost 01-10-19 08:35 PM

you guys should swap seat post clamps

RobbieTunes 01-10-19 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by droppedandlost (Post 20742192)
you guys should swap seat post clamps

I have a red one now.

jamesdak 01-10-19 08:47 PM

For the weight weenie crowd I'll mention that mine finished up, as in the first picture, at 18 lbs and 14 ozs once I mounted on a Trek Alloy Bottle Cage.

Steve Whitlatch 01-10-19 09:25 PM

Cool thread! Both bikes came out great. Why were they banned from competition?

seypat 01-10-19 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742138)
And now 20 years old. Still in the top tier of aerodynamics for frames. Still banned by the UCI.

@seypat could relate to this: I rode one in a triathlon, with road bars, and one of the other triathletes wanted it disqualified.
Pat knows the club to which I refer.

"Incredible" that they tried to disqualify your bike. I can see the reason for the bad blood.

texaspandj 01-10-19 09:47 PM

Cool bikes, what size are they?

jamesdak 01-10-19 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by texaspandj (Post 20742282)
Cool bikes, what size are they?

They're both 56 cm.

RobbieTunes 01-11-19 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Steve Whitlatch (Post 20742251)
Cool thread! Both bikes came out great. Why were they banned from competition?

UCI said because of no seat tube, I believe. Disgruntled fans think it's because of the aero qualities at the time, or having that rear wheel up under the rider more than usual (due to no seat tube).

I might add, the Giant MCR was also banned, and that was just as odd, no real top tube. It was a very hard bike to even build much less go fast.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03670e7471.jpg

USAZorro 01-11-19 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742017)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...145ecd5326.jpg
Don't hate us because we're beautiful.

Pics first.
Story second.
Partner in crime to follow.

It would have to be beautiful for that to happen. :innocent: The whole soft-ride thing never captivated this old geezer.

We have different beholders... but it certainly is in great condition. What's with that crankset though? ;)

also... Is the rear brake attached to the water bottle cage?

seypat 01-11-19 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20742577)
UCI said because of no seat tube, I believe. Disgruntled fans think it's because of the aero qualities at the time, or having that rear wheel up under the rider more than usual (due to no seat tube).

I might add, the Giant MCR was also banned, and that was just as odd, no real top tube. It was a very hard bike to even build much less go fast.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03670e7471.jpg

No seat tube would mean no double connected triangle. Maybe that is a requirement.

seypat 01-11-19 08:36 AM

Now we have these. Lots of area to hide stuff.

https://ride.diamondback.com/andean

Bikerider007 01-11-19 08:50 AM

Gret bikes, and what a cool way to share a build and states away.

jamesdak 01-11-19 09:15 AM

One thing I'll mention is that you are limited by tire clearance on these. I prefer to run Conti GP 4000s II in 700 x 25. When I mocked them up on this bike I only had about 2 mm all around for clearance which is tighter than I prefer. the 700 x 25 Veloflex on there are actually measuring about 23.5mm and there's plenty of room.

since6 01-11-19 09:43 AM

Does the spar top tube bob up and down like the "Soft Ride", I would hope not with the materials used/design. Though it would be a kick to see a TDF sprint with everyone bobbing up and down like something out of a Looney Tune cartoon. Maybe instead of the lunge there would be a giant bunny hop at the finish off a carefully timed frame springing rebound?

Lovely bikes and great builds by your both. :thumb:

3speedslow 01-11-19 09:54 AM

Every once in a while I would see one in a group ride around Greensboro, but just one. Would certainly draw attention if TWO showed up! And even more so if the riders had same team kit!


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