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Old 01-14-19, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
It's a little disappointing that it went for so much since that is going to encourage other people to strip down their bikes. They are so much better as a unified whole. That's what makes constructeur bikes unique.
Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
Yes, it is already happening to many other marques...more parts available less complete bikes.
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Isn't a Herse somewhat unique?

In other words- the lure of a complete (or mostly complete) Herse is in it's completeness is worth more- rather than parts that were custom fitted to a particular bike?

I see old Lefol and other old French things on the French eBay with "Herse/Singer" tags- but I more guess they came from some other bike- whether another lesser known constructeur or just a bike manufacturer that used those parts.

With Compass/"Rene Herse" making new production of old Herse designs- how does that change things?

Part of me thinks that old bike stuff is kind of rooted in Boomer collection ideals- Are those old Herse bikes become less of "bikes" rather than "museum pieces" and/or an ideal than an actual grail? So where a person who was 18 in 1970 may have lusted for (and conceivably could have ordered) a Herse- by 2010 has the money to acquire one- for someone who's 18 now, is the lure of a Herse is more of a trophy than a rideable bike?

Just throwing that out there...

In all the "grail" threads, I sometimes mention I'd love to find a Herse- but I don't want to find a Herse- I would want to ride it, I'd want to change it around- I'd want to **** with it- and if I had a Herse, I shouldn't do that.
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Old 01-14-19, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
Were these stems milled or cast? It sort of looks like a casting to me. Not sure though.
Milled from a solid chunk of aluminum. Written up in Bicycle Quarterly Autumn 2006 (vol 5 no 1)
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Old 01-14-19, 06:00 PM
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Kind of a perpetual motion machine isn't it? (lubricated with money)
Collector "A" parts out the bike. Collectors "B", "C", and "D" buy the parts to complete their bikes.
Collector "E" buys the frameset and has a hell of a time finding the correct parts for it.
Finally the parts prices get so high that Collectors "B", "C", and "D" part out their bikes, selling the parts to Collector "E" who finally gets to re-assemble the bike that Collector "A" parted out all those years ago!
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Old 01-14-19, 06:13 PM
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Yes, the Herse is unique, my comments concern the disassembly of many "old" bikes that have "more" value when stripped thus the plethora of used "vintage " Campagnolo or " original" Dura Ace".I can recall purchasing complete bikes for a few hundred dollars ( not that long ago) but now see asking prices for Record cranks at 100 to 150 derailleurs 50 to 100 and so on remove the stem and brakes and you get the picture...look at the adds in the for sale section on the Forum for confirmation/proof of stripping.

I am not against it, to each there own, I buy a frame for 100-200 and need to put several hundred back into parts getting it serviceable... that has always been the way almost all markets seem to go, if there is demand, create more of it....I find it ironic that there are a number of flippers here that do not know the market and want advice on the sale and often are told there is more value in the parts...pick it up for cheap sell it for more excluding their time...If it takes me a few hours to strip and many hours to pack, I have to ask if it is worth it to me to go that route...when I buy parts I am happy to pay for time etc.

I am guilty of buying the parts I need but do remember in the not too distant past I could and have bought complete bikes for that 150 to 250 mark...only an observation nota condemnation...bikes are a hobby to me not a lifestyle...people need to do what they can to validate their ability to purchases an if parting out a bike is part of it so be it.

Make no mistake if it is a hobby and there is joy in stripping and selling great if its a business and money is the motive that is great too...
IMHO it has not much to do with uniqueness.
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
TGB,
Yes, the Herse is unique, my comments concern the disassembly of many "old" bikes that have "more" value when stripped thus the plethora of used "vintage " Campagnolo or " original" Dura Ace".I can recall purchasing complete bikes for a few hundred dollars ( not that long ago) but now see asking prices for Record cranks at 100 to 150 derailleurs 50 to 100 and so on remove the stem and brakes and you get the picture...look at the adds in the for sale section on the Forum for confirmation/proof of stripping.

I am not against it, to each there own, I buy a frame for 100-200 and need to put several hundred back into parts getting it serviceable... that has always been the way almost all markets seem to go, if there is demand, create more of it....I find it ironic that there are a number of flippers here that do not know the market and want advice on the sale and often are told there is more value in the parts...pick it up for cheap sell it for more excluding their time...If it takes me a few hours to strip and many hours to pack, I have to ask if it is worth it to me to go that route...when I buy parts I am happy to pay for time etc.

I am guilty of buying the parts I need but do remember in the not too distant past I could and have bought complete bikes for that 150 to 250 mark...only an observation nota condemnation...bikes are a hobby to me not a lifestyle...people need to do what they can to validate their ability to purchases an if parting out a bike is part of it so be it.

Make no mistake if it is a hobby and there is joy in stripping and selling great if its a business and money is the motive that is great too...
IMHO it has not much to do with uniqueness.
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Very good comments. I fully agreed with you!
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
TGB,
Yes, the Herse is unique, my comments concern the disassembly of many "old" bikes that have "more" value when stripped thus the plethora of used "vintage " Campagnolo or " original" Dura Ace".I can recall purchasing complete bikes for a few hundred dollars ( not that long ago) but now see asking prices for Record cranks at 100 to 150 derailleurs 50 to 100 and so on remove the stem and brakes and you get the picture...look at the adds in the for sale section on the Forum for confirmation/proof of stripping.

I am not against it, to each there own, I buy a frame for 100-200 and need to put several hundred back into parts getting it serviceable... that has always been the way almost all markets seem to go, if there is demand, create more of it....I find it ironic that there are a number of flippers here that do not know the market and want advice on the sale and often are told there is more value in the parts...pick it up for cheap sell it for more excluding their time...If it takes me a few hours to strip and many hours to pack, I have to ask if it is worth it to me to go that route...when I buy parts I am happy to pay for time etc.

I am guilty of buying the parts I need but do remember in the not too distant past I could and have bought complete bikes for that 150 to 250 mark...only an observation nota condemnation...bikes are a hobby to me not a lifestyle...people need to do what they can to validate their ability to purchases an if parting out a bike is part of it so be it.

Make no mistake if it is a hobby and there is joy in stripping and selling great if its a business and money is the motive that is great too...
IMHO it has not much to do with uniqueness.
JM2C's, Ben
I agree that stripping a bike is the best way of maximizing profit- 9 times out of 10- but is a Herse that 1 out of 10 exception where the bike, as mostly whole and complete example, is worth more than the sum of its parts?

I don’t know- and if it does, then I do think that it does have to do with uniqueness.
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