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vintagerando 01-10-19 11:25 PM

Rene Herse stem for $660!!
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rene-Herse-...EAAOSwAE***360

Did anyone catch this on eBay. Wow. That is one special stem.

repechage 01-10-19 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by vintagerando (Post 20742373)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rene-Herse-...EAAOSwAE***360

Did anyone catch this on eBay. Wow. That is one special stem.

15? or more years ago there was someone who was recreating them, not cheap either. even with CNC programming, they are all sorts of work to create.
This one only surprises me as the handlebar clamp bolts are missing, (they are of themselves unique) and the steerer cap is awol.

Also, this is a longer stem, also not seen often, the French bars often have a longer forward "throw" so a long stem is not used as often to achieve a good fit on the bike.

Nguyen Dang 01-11-19 03:37 AM

Did anyone see it beautiful? To me, it is so ugly. But why so expensive?

cb400bill 01-11-19 05:00 AM

Pic assist
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/i6EAA...60/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SJYAA...67/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KGUAA...7C/s-l1600.jpg

exmechanic89 01-11-19 05:22 AM

Definitely a cool old stem, the fore runner of many I'm sure.

The Golden Boy 01-11-19 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Nguyen Dang (Post 20742478)
Did anyone see it beautiful? To me, it is so ugly. But why so expensive?

I find it quite beautiful- it’s unique in design and functions as a stem, cable stop bell mount and with the cap an ID tag.

As as to why it’s so expensive- they were milled by hand, most likely by Rene Herse himself- from any time in the 1940s to the 70s for an individual, specific customer.

Aside from from the age, rarity, association with Rene Herse, general desirability... it is a stem with some history- whether it’s being included in the provenance or not.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Herse.htm

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/herse/


3speedslow 01-11-19 10:00 AM

“Eye of the beholders...pocketbook”

Giacomo 1 01-11-19 10:37 AM

Wow, was that a BIN or the end price of a bidding war?

Amazing, especially considering the condition and that parts are missing, I wonder how high it would have went had the seller polished it up a bit.

TenGrainBread 01-11-19 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 20742564)
As as to why itís so expensive- they were milled by hand, most likely by Rene Herse himself- from any time in the 1940s to the 70s for an individual, specific customer.

Were these stems milled or cast? It sort of looks like a casting to me. :foo: Not sure though.

vintagerando 01-11-19 10:53 AM

Maybe the buyer was someone whom bought a very expensive Rene Herse, figured out the frame was too small and needed a longer stem. So, the $660 was a drop in the bucket vs. the initial purchase.

Erzulis Boat 01-11-19 11:04 AM

I just spent 40 clams to get a NOS seatpost binder bolt, so that almost seems reasonable! Yikes.

jeirvine 01-11-19 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by TenGrainBread (Post 20742869)
Were these stems milled or cast? It sort of looks like a casting to me. :foo: Not sure though.

My understanding is that they were each hand-milled, one at a time.

SamSpade1941 01-11-19 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat (Post 20742898)
I just spent 40 clams to get a NOS seatpost binder bolt, so that almost seems reasonable! Yikes.

last year I sold a NOS Campagnolo seatpost binder boot for $50 plus the shipping . People want what they want ...

philbob57 01-11-19 04:18 PM

It sold at that price, so.... Could the free shipping be a big part of the cost?:)

Chr0m0ly 01-11-19 05:51 PM

It's a cutting, you plant it and grow a complete bike.

Vonruden 01-12-19 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 20742389)
15? or more years ago there was someone who was recreating them, not cheap either. even with CNC programming, they are all sorts of work to create.
This one only surprises me as the handlebar clamp bolts are missing, (they are of themselves unique) and the steerer cap is awol.

Also, this is a longer stem, also not seen often, the French bars often have a longer forward "throw" so a long stem is not used as often to achieve a good fit on the bike.

I believe Gran Bois is doing retro's. I was interested in the Herse stem, up until it hit 4 bills.

Nguyen Dang 01-12-19 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 20742564)


I find it quite beautiful- itís unique in design and functions as a stem, cable stop bell mount and with the cap an ID tag.

As as to why itís so expensive- they were milled by hand, most likely by Rene Herse himself- from any time in the 1940s to the 70s for an individual, specific customer.

Aside from from the age, rarity, association with Rene Herse, general desirability... it is a stem with some history- whether itís being included in the provenance or not.

Rene HERSE. main

Rene Herse


Oh, many thanks for your good explanation which is very informative & valuable for my limited knowledge. That's why I joined the BF where I can learn a lot.

The Golden Boy 01-12-19 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Vonruden (Post 20744143)
I was interested in the Herse stem, up until it hit 4 bills.

Then again, you have a real Herse...

The Golden Boy 01-12-19 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Nguyen Dang (Post 20744241)
Oh, many thanks for your good explanation which is very informative & valuable for my limited knowledge. That's why I joined the BF where I can learn a lot.

If you're not into the whole French constructeur aesthetic, I can see where the stem isn't as gracile as most ordinary stems.

This is one of my favorite Herse bikes I've run acrosss: https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com...3-randonneuse/

If you do like the whole constructeur thing- search for images of Rene Herse, Alex Singer, Toei, Routens, JP Routens. I think it's amazing stuff.

I think the nice thing about BF (and especially C&V) is that lots of people have their own opinions of what is cool- it's all under the same umbrella of "C&V", but high-wheelers, turn of the century bikes, roadsters, constructeur, French, Italian and English racing bikes, touring bikes- everyone has their niche- and most people appreciate that people have their niche, and most people even appreciate people's stuff or their interests- even if it doesn't interest them.

Nguyen Dang 01-12-19 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 20744564)
If you're not into the whole French constructeur aesthetic, I can see where the stem isn't as gracile as most ordinary stems.

This is one of my favorite Herse bikes I've run acrosss: https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com...3-randonneuse/

If you do like the whole constructeur thing- search for images of Rene Herse, Alex Singer, Toei, Routens, JP Routens. I think it's amazing stuff.

I think the nice thing about BF (and especially C&V) is that lots of people have their own opinions of what is cool- it's all under the same umbrella of "C&V", but high-wheelers, turn of the century bikes, roadsters, constructeur, French, Italian and English racing bikes, touring bikes- everyone has their niche- and most people appreciate that people have their niche, and most people even appreciate people's stuff or their interests- even if it doesn't interest them.

Wow, many thanks for lots of valuable info for enhancing my poor knowledge on French bikes! I will spare times to study for my next vintage bike.

Your Herse 1953 randonneuse is quite cool which is also my size & I dream to have a similar one in the future. However, with my low budget, it would be really a challenge & an impossible task!

unterhausen 01-12-19 08:42 PM

It's a little disappointing that it went for so much since that is going to encourage other people to strip down their bikes. They are so much better as a unified whole. That's what makes constructeur bikes unique.

The Golden Boy 01-12-19 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Nguyen Dang (Post 20745090)
Wow, many thanks for lots of valuable info for enhancing my poor knowledge on French bikes! I will spare times to study for my next vintage bike.

Your Herse 1953 randonneuse is quite cool which is also my size & I dream to have a similar one in the future. However, with my low budget, it would be really a challenge & an impossible task!

That's not my bike! Just one I saw pictures on the internet!

I hope you enjoy reading about and looking at pictures of those beautiful old bikes as much as I do!

Nguyen Dang 01-13-19 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 20745228)
That's not my bike! Just one I saw pictures on the internet!

I hope you enjoy reading about and looking at pictures of those beautiful old bikes as much as I do!

Sure. I do.

Not only reading or looking at pics of others' beautiful vintage steel bikes, I always take a sit looking at my vintage steel bike fleet or maintaining one of those every evening after work. That's daily pleasure for C&V enthusiasts.

xiaoman1 01-14-19 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by unterhausen (Post 20745184)
It's a little disappointing that it went for so much since that is going to encourage other people to strip down their bikes. They are so much better as a unified whole. That's what makes constructeur bikes unique.

Yes, it is already happening to many other marques...more parts available less complete bikes.
Ben

unterhausen 01-14-19 11:32 AM

creates an aftermarket, I suppose


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