Would you buy this frame?
01-15-19, 09:39 AM
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@Spaghetti Legs, please post what you ultimately decide to do.
01-15-19, 09:59 AM
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I've been thinking about it, but I have too many project frames, and have a general policy of not stepping on the OP's toes... (anybody else is fair game?)
@Spaghetti Legs, please post what you ultimately decide to do.
@Spaghetti Legs, please post what you ultimately decide to do.
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I've been thinking about it, but I have too many project frames, and have a general policy of not stepping on the OP's toes... (anybody else is fair game?)
@Spaghetti Legs, please post what you ultimately decide to do.
@Spaghetti Legs, please post what you ultimately decide to do.
@nomadmax - I'm with you - I am a bit of a sentimentalist and feel a need to try to keep some of these classics on the road as attested to by some of the problem children in my stable. I realized when I posted request for info that it would increase the likelihood someone else would take interest in it and that's OK. I didn't post a link though because, hey, you have to Want It, and put a little legwork in!
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01-15-19, 10:37 AM
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You'll be the second to know, right after me, ha ha. I'm a little surprised at the strong consensus that there's an underlying problem; shows what I know about bikes. Auction ends later today and I think, but not sure, I'm letting it pass for now. I have thought about messaging the seller to gauge interest at selling at a lower price. The frame has been there for at least a couple months now, with successively lower prices. I did message him with a few questions, answered right back and said he couldn't move the bridge by hand.
@nomadmax - I'm with you - I am a bit of a sentimentalist and feel a need to try to keep some of these classics on the road as attested to by some of the problem children in my stable. I realized when I posted request for info that it would increase the likelihood someone else would take interest in it and that's OK. I didn't post a link though because, hey, you have to Want It, and put a little legwork in!
@nomadmax - I'm with you - I am a bit of a sentimentalist and feel a need to try to keep some of these classics on the road as attested to by some of the problem children in my stable. I realized when I posted request for info that it would increase the likelihood someone else would take interest in it and that's OK. I didn't post a link though because, hey, you have to Want It, and put a little legwork in!
01-15-19, 10:52 AM
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You'll be the second to know, right after me, ha ha. I'm a little surprised at the strong consensus that there's an underlying problem; shows what I know about bikes. Auction ends later today and I think, but not sure, I'm letting it pass for now. I have thought about messaging the seller to gauge interest at selling at a lower price. The frame has been there for at least a couple months now, with successively lower prices. I did message him with a few questions, answered right back and said he couldn't move the bridge by hand.
@nomadmax - I'm with you - I am a bit of a sentimentalist and feel a need to try to keep some of these classics on the road as attested to by some of the problem children in my stable. I realized when I posted request for info that it would increase the likelihood someone else would take interest in it and that's OK. I didn't post a link though because, hey, you have to Want It, and put a little legwork in!
@nomadmax - I'm with you - I am a bit of a sentimentalist and feel a need to try to keep some of these classics on the road as attested to by some of the problem children in my stable. I realized when I posted request for info that it would increase the likelihood someone else would take interest in it and that's OK. I didn't post a link though because, hey, you have to Want It, and put a little legwork in!
01-15-19, 11:40 AM
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Seems to me it would be a simple thing for the seller to sand or file off just a bit of paint right at the braze and see if it's truly damaged. A wee bit of touchup paint would fix that and be practically unnoticable. And it would end the conjecture once and for all.
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01-15-19, 12:53 PM
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The way that the paint is cracked is indicative of differential movement between the bridge and the stay. He may not be able to move it by hand, but the forces applied by the brake has been moving it.
It will need to be repaired.
It will need to be repaired.
01-15-19, 01:30 PM
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My take? Simple. If this frame otherwise checks the boxes, buy it. Set it up and ride it. Observe the crack.
At the same time, start doing research on local framebuilders, maybe visiting one or two with the bike. Find someone you trust that can do the repair right and quickly. (If it were me, I'd go looking to see if this might be a good relationship for the long term. I went to a local builder on recommendation from a local bikeshop that had no affiliation with this builder for a custom stem. I liked what I saw of the builder and his work. That led to two customs, the repair I mentioned below and work on two other bikes. I now get to ride any of 4 excellent bikes, 3 of which are unique plus the best winter/rain/city bike I've ever owned. Life's good.) Likewise, do the research on a good, simple paint touch-up. And if this starts getting worse, or you have been riding the bike for a coupe of years and love it but it is no time to put the gruppo on it really wants, call that framebuilder and have him do it. Do 9or have done) the touch-up if this is just a repair,maybe have the frame painted if this is a rebuild. (I really like the nail polish idea to keep track of the crack.)
Failures at the rear end of a frame are rarely a big deal; usually no more than ride-enders and often not even that. I've ridden home on a broken chainstay, finished the lap of a park criterium on a broken seat tube and did unknown mileage on a crack through the seatstay cap before I had it repaired (with a full powdercoat repaint for that winter/rain/city bike).
Edit: with a nice repair and a good paint job, that bike will be a knock-out! So again, if it otherwise checks your boxes ...
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At the same time, start doing research on local framebuilders, maybe visiting one or two with the bike. Find someone you trust that can do the repair right and quickly. (If it were me, I'd go looking to see if this might be a good relationship for the long term. I went to a local builder on recommendation from a local bikeshop that had no affiliation with this builder for a custom stem. I liked what I saw of the builder and his work. That led to two customs, the repair I mentioned below and work on two other bikes. I now get to ride any of 4 excellent bikes, 3 of which are unique plus the best winter/rain/city bike I've ever owned. Life's good.) Likewise, do the research on a good, simple paint touch-up. And if this starts getting worse, or you have been riding the bike for a coupe of years and love it but it is no time to put the gruppo on it really wants, call that framebuilder and have him do it. Do 9or have done) the touch-up if this is just a repair,maybe have the frame painted if this is a rebuild. (I really like the nail polish idea to keep track of the crack.)
Failures at the rear end of a frame are rarely a big deal; usually no more than ride-enders and often not even that. I've ridden home on a broken chainstay, finished the lap of a park criterium on a broken seat tube and did unknown mileage on a crack through the seatstay cap before I had it repaired (with a full powdercoat repaint for that winter/rain/city bike).
Edit: with a nice repair and a good paint job, that bike will be a knock-out! So again, if it otherwise checks your boxes ...
Ben
01-15-19, 01:50 PM
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@gugie , would you be amenable to a drop ship? That would at least save one journey's shipping cost, and a little time, and amount to a modest reduction in shipping damage risk. But again, the "end the conjecture" option seems like the place to start.
01-15-19, 02:17 PM
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Oh, man, @gugie has been salivating about the idea of bending the fork and installing Cantis on a Colnago for me. It is all I can do to keep his torch away from the bike... Well... I HOPE 
How much longer do I have before you pick it up?
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01-15-19, 02:19 PM
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@gugie , would you be amenable to a drop ship? That would at least save one journey's shipping cost, and a little time, and amount to a modest reduction in shipping damage risk. But again, the "end the conjecture" option seems like the place to start.
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01-15-19, 05:45 PM
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There is an Oregon Transportation Bicycle Planning meeting in Salem tomorrow (just planning to go up and back), and again Feb 4th, and was thinking perhaps that would be a good time to come up as it may be easier to get from Portland to Salem than from Eugene to Salem.
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Sure, that would work, just don't go get in a bidding war with @Spaghetti Legs, or it'll get too damn expensive! I could also check frame alignment before sending back.
01-15-19, 06:58 PM
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Are there any BFers local to the seller that could take a look at it? At this point buying it over the OP would be a serious breach of etiquette. So if someone is local, they need to look at it.
01-15-19, 07:15 PM
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Well somebody (not me) bought it. I sent the seller a message saying I would buy it for $150 if it didn't sell. Of course now I want it - what's under that crack!
Fun thread though.
Fun thread though.
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01-15-19, 07:33 PM
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What a letdown! That could have been a "teaching bike" for the whole of C & V.
01-15-19, 07:46 PM
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I thought about it. Not a bad price. But, it wasn't me.
Lots of other Rossin frames up on the Bay, most more expensive, and without forks for some reason. But, also more "interesting" tubing work.
Lots of other Rossin frames up on the Bay, most more expensive, and without forks for some reason. But, also more "interesting" tubing work.
01-15-19, 08:14 PM
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I would not buy. It is out of my price range.
The crack looks like a mechanical failure of the joint, to me.
An easy fix for something like me that has access to a torch, braising rod, and flux. (I'm a former fabrication welder. Braising was required on some jobs.)
The crack looks like a mechanical failure of the joint, to me.
An easy fix for something like me that has access to a torch, braising rod, and flux. (I'm a former fabrication welder. Braising was required on some jobs.)
01-15-19, 08:37 PM
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If I wanted it as a "rider", then it would probably be ok. Judging by the other Rossins on the Bay, the price probably wasn't too bad, assuming one could repair and touch up the paint cheaply.
But, the frame didn't fit my needs. I also wasn't quite certain of what tubing it had.
But, the frame didn't fit my needs. I also wasn't quite certain of what tubing it had.
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