Bad Lag

That's odd, I thought the movie was about growing up and getting away from "faking it" - letting loose of the affectations of youth.

xetaprime

Well Yeaaahhh, at the end of the movie
Way to ruin a great Thursday Dude! Jeez!

madpogue 

"The only thing I'm afraid of is wastin' the rest of my life with you guys!"










Oh wait..... shoot.....

Bad Lag

Did I kill your buzz?

cudak888 

Would be curious to see what Bad Lag thinks of this MASI.





Let's see:

• Built by Faliero Masi - check.
  • Uh...nope. Wait, the '70s Grand Criteriums were not built by him either? Oh, no, I've been scammed!
• Made in the USA - check.
  • Uh...nope. A real MASI would be American mad...wait, what?

"OMFG, THE MASI NUOVA STRADA IS NOT A REAL MASI! MASI FAKED THEIR OWN BIKES! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE NEWS!!"

Bad Lag, take a step back and realize that there are a few times where the outright cloning of a bike has its exceptions. These exceptions depend on the intent of the builder, their actions, and a fair amount of faith that human nature isn't all bad. So far, it doesn't seem as if the OP has any intentions of selling his creation, so he's in control of the bike's story for now - and has been a proper custodian of said story. What's more, this entire thread pretty much logs the entire history of this bike for the internet, so post-build fakery would be outsted pretty quickly.

At any rate, it doesn't warrant the constant bad blood and browbeating that you're bringing to this thread. We know your point already; we can read.

The irony is that there are other potential fakes out there that deserve much more criticism, but receive half of the scrutiny that they deserve. About 5-7 years ago (don't remember exactly), a number of blue and red Guerciotti frames were popping up right and left on the Internet and also in my area. I didn't suspect anything then, but after a few years of research after the fact, I started to believe one story that came out of the woodwork: That some framebuilder in South or Central America got their hands on a whole bunch of Guerciotti parts and assembled some thickly-painted mutts. I have no way of confirming this, and it's still just a hunch of mine. But those Guerciottis aren't given half the effort of ousting that you've given our Trekasi building-friend here. And he has disclosed his build to the world - and shown no intent to harm.

-Kurt

DiabloScott

Maybe they'd give you a REFUND !?!?!?!

cudak888 

On the four I had? Unlikely - as I said, that was years ago. Plus, there wasn't anything on them to suggest they weren't identical to actual Guerciottis, save for thick paint - IIRC, one of the other theories was that they were real, but were not imported by TSD, and thus had different, thicker paint jobs. One of mine had a TSD logo pantographed into the brake bridge, which doesn't add up with any theory.

To this day, there was lot of lore and conjecture, but not one shred of conclusive proof or a decent lead that anyone has told me (it's been a number of years, so there may be more info I'm not aware of). My personal guess is that Guerciotti sold off a bunch of factory seconds - including multiple generations of frames - long after said frames were originally built. These frames were either quickly painted or painted by whoever bought the lot.

-Kurt

mcpastor

cudak888 

Please let me in on it.

xetaprime

You're welcome

cudak888 

I get it now. I tend to watch the bicycle bits of BA more than the rest of the film, so I didn't remember this bit.

On that note, I'll gladly refund him whatever he paid for that convertible C2 Vette...

-Kurt

joesch

RE: "OMFG, THE MASI NUOVA STRADA IS NOT A REAL MASI! MASI FAKED THEIR OWN BIKES! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE NEWS!!"

What is the story on the Masi Nouva Strada?
What company made them?
Were they reynolds 531 or columbus sl??

madpogue 

^^^^^ Looks like a Columbus sticker.

I just realized, even back then, that would be considered a Classic Corvette, and with all the pushing back and forth, no one is grabbing the WHEEL?

cudak888 

Here's everything you ever wanted to know about MASI origins - the Nuova Strada is covered here:
ITALIAN CYCLING JOURNAL: MASI Identification: American Or Italian?

Short form is that these were made under contract by Billato in Italy. They were finished stateside, with paint and decals by Jim Allen. Mine had Columbus SLX tubing, if I recall right.

The steering on vehicles back then were so loose that it wouldn't have made much of a difference otherwise. Unless it was manual and not power.

-Kurt

TenGrainBread 

Re: the Lazer - Squeezing the rims in the vise to make them narrower was a good touch. I'm flabbergasted.

joesch

Thanks for the ref where I found this info:

The same goes for the Gran Corsa and Nuova Strada... they were US bikes, but were never built here. They were built in Italy (again, probably by Billato or Mondonico), imported as bare frames, then numbered, painted and decaled here by Jim Allen.

speedevil 

Actually, neither. My Nuovo Strada was made from Reynolds 653.

joesch

It nice to have the tubing sticker, assuming not a repaint or replacement.
There must be a listing of years made and tubes used?
I have heard SL, SLX, 531, and now your 653.

cudak888 

Have any of these been brought down to bare metal to confirm the tubing marks?

After all, if some of the Schwinn Superiors made by Don Mainland sneaked out with Columbus SL (despite being marked 531), what's to say the plumbers throwing these Masis together weren't doing the same?

-Kurt

speedevil 

Almost all of the paint and all decals and panto are original. Some paint on the seatstays and the top tube was touched up and recleared recently. The fork is chrome, including most of the steerer.

joesch

Stating the serial number would also help determine if Italy or California bike. Would also help determine if a CA Carlsbad or San Marcos or possibly a Rancho Santa Fe.
Even then, the tubing is hard to know for sure.