Giacomo 1 

I'm not sure just how many Pog's are out there, as I haven't seen to many here at the C&V forum, but I thought it would be nice to have a dedicated Pogliaghi thread to showcase the brand. So please post your pics here guys!

Some background - The company was founded by Sante Pogliaghi in 1947. He did almost all of the work , but he had a staff of maybe 6 workers throughout the 70's. Sante made bikes can be identified by a PSM on the seat tube. Pogliaghi sold or transferred the rights to build his bikes to Marc Rossin in 1983-84, and those bikes can be identified by the Rossin style pantographing. By the late 80's, the rights were passed onto the Basso Brothers, whom Sante worked in close collaboration with, in order to bring his name back to prominence, and Basso is still producing steel Pog's to this day. Sante died in 2000.

So here is my recently completed 91 Pogliaghi, built by Basso. It is a mix of old and new. It weighs in at a nice 21.3lbs. I've only had it out for a short 7 mile ride, but it rides very nicely, and seems quick and nimble like an Italian should -

gomango

You knocked it out of the park.

Sexy hot rod you have there.

AdventureManCO 

Very nice. For all of us out of the know, how does one correctly pronounce 'Pogliaghi'? So, you know, when we now search for one on C/L, and find one, and go to check it out, we can sound informed

kohl57

Here is my 1973 Pogliaghi (a Brügelmann Mod. E/M Extra Leicht)

Repaint by Brian Baylis

More pix and specs:

ipernity: 1973 Pogliaghi Italcorse by Peter Kohler



Peter Kohler
Washington, DC USA

Bianchigirll 

Great information, beautiful bike. What is the crankset?

Giacomo 1 

Thank you BG.

The crank is a Velo Orange Grand Crux. I was going to go with an all-Campy drivetrain, but I really fell in love with this crank and had to add it. Thanks for noticing!

Giacomo 1 

Thanks for adding your beautiful Sante-built bike. She is a beauty! I love the red accents.

I've never seen it. Have you ever posted it here before?

Giacomo 1 

Thank you AM!

The name is as hard to spell as it is to pronounce, and I'm an Italian American! I'm pretty sure chances are the owner won't pronounce it correctly either, so don't stress it.

pole - ya - gi

Good luck in your search and don't forget to post your find here!

Choke 

The ones made near the end of Sante's ownership have the PSM stamp on the upper head lug.

Poh-lee-AH-gi

For some reason I don't have any good pics of mine. My best guess going by the SN is that it was built around 1980-81.

Bianchigirll 

I can understand that, good choice

Giacomo 1 

Looks like a beautiful original in very nice condition. What tubeset was Rossin using on these bikes? I love the look of the Brooks saddle along with the bar tape. Nice combination.

Looks as though you were doing some rough, dusty riding that day on some big tires. Do you still have her?

Choke 

Thanks. I don't think it was Rossin built but who knows for sure? The SN makes it late enough that it's possible but it does have the PSM stamp and everything I've read leans to a SN around 14000 being the changeover point. The tubing decal is the old style Columbus with no tubing indicated. The tires are 28s (about 26mm actual) and that was at Cino Heroica a few years ago; a 110 mile ride over 2 days that is about 80% on dirt and gravel. I do still have the bike.

Giacomo 1 

Yeah, for sure that looks to be the real deal. Nice.

From what I can tell, 83 looks like the date Rossin took over.

Giacomo 1 

Thank you Grady.

I think if you look closely, you can see a little Sophia Loren in this build...

1987

Did Brügelmann also have special editions made by Pogliaghi? New to me, interesting. I've only seen the famous yellow Brügelmann Cinellis.
Or did Brügelmann make the modifications themselves, BB cutout and paint?

kohl57

Yes... everyone talks about the Cinelli "Superleggera" model for Brugelmann and forget they had the Pog Extra Leicht at the same time. This has a slotted bb which was done by the maker. All of these have D prefixed serial numbers and there are actually quite a few of them out there. This should have, of course, all of the wonderful Brugelmann customed lightened and milled components but when I got it, only the drilled chainring was original. Worse, a complete set of these components for a machine only a few clicks away from my serial number came up on eBay. I bid what I thought was a fortune for them... and still got outbid!

Brugelmann sold this also as a frameset later in the 70s, early 80s and still in the same Faema Team colours.

I wish someone would document more of the framesets that Brugelmann sold. At the time, they had exclusive sales rights to many Italian marques in Europe. And most have distinctive added features. I have a 1975 Gios with chromed rear fork ends that I have never seen on another one, it came from Holland and I very much suspect it, too, is a Brugelmann bought frame.

Peter Kohler
Washington, DC

styggno1

Hi Peter,

Are you absolutely sure about the D prefix serial denotes a Brügelmann model Pog? I ask because I have always thought (and still believe) a DXXX being a frame within the 10 000 serial range. I have yet to see a Pog with a 10 XXX serial - there are 9XXX and 11XXX but everything in between has a DXXX. Have a look here:
Pogliaghi frame serial numbers

(Edit - when reading your post again I realize I might have misunderstood you. Do you mean all the Extra Leicht frames are within the D (10XXX) serials or that all D serials are Brügelmann?)

Here is a couple of detail pics of my Italcorse - the original owner put it at 1977.

Obs - a Pogliaghi branded binder bolt.





Slotted BB

Giacomo 1 

Did Pogliaghi have standard lug design such as Colnago had with the spades cut into them?

I see a few different shapes in the Pog lugs while most of the other Italian builders had their own distinctive lug mark. I believe he made his own lugs BITD.

Styggno1, do you have more pics of your bike?

Uyle

Mr_Asifi 

AZORCH

There is a little old lady a few houses down from me. I don't know her very well at all - I'm guessing she is upper 80's. A few years ago on the town square she stopped to chat with me because I was riding a 1972 Paramount and she knew exactly what it was. Anyway, we get to talking and she tells me she and her late husband "rode a bit" when they were younger (I learned later this was an understatement) and she tells me she's got a Pog she had built in Italy back in the 50's (and: "Maybe you've heard of them?"), hanging in her basement. I have been trying for years to just get a glimpse of the darned thing, to no avail. Literally five houses away. Our backyards butt up to one another. Sigh.

kohl57

Serial numbers... the Brugelmann Pogs I have documented serial numbers from... including my own... ALL have "D" prefixed" serial numbers. And they are sequential indicating, to me anyway, a batch of frames made at the same time (these are again bona fide c. 1973 ones) for the company. They are all either still in Europe or, in one case, shipped back to the States (this was the one I tried to buy the components from).

C. 1973 I am not even sure who else was selling Pogliaghis other than ordering direct from the firm itself. Indeed, Brugelmanns was pretty exclusive in their offering of top end Italian racing frames that one didn't just walk into any bike shop and buy off the floor.

Peter Kohler
Washington. DC USA

Giacomo 1 

That's a great story. You never know what experiences and interests our senior citizens had in their hey-day.

I think I would have to knock on her door and just ask, "can I please see that Pog?" You never know what might happen, at this point of her life there's a chance she might want it to go to a good home and just give it to you, or give you a killer deal at least. A 50s Pog? What would that be worth? Then you'd really have a story!

styggno1

Not really. It has been lingering in the back of my hobby shop for ten years now. It has its place in the restoration order but it will take some more time before it is its turn. I did take some steps earlier - as in getting the fork re-chromed and silver brazed new shifter bosses in place. Someone had hacksawed them off...

Here are pictures taken ten years ago when I got it. Phone cameras has evolved quite a bit since then - I am sorry for the bad pictures. It will get a first generation Super Record group (on the shelf waiting). It has the somewhat funny combination of Campag short rear dropouts, under the BB cable routing and recessed brake nuts - but still no top tube cable guides for the rear brake cable. "27" decal on both seat tube and head tube.

Edit - the frame looks a bit wonky in the picture but it is just pic distortion. It is straight and sound.



Campag short ends









Fork at the chrome company. No after pic though. Looks fantastic.



Prepping for brazing shifter bosses.

Choke 

I'm a bit confused by the pics in the 2 posts. In the first post there's a double-diamond lug cutout on a headtube lug but that doesn't show in the second post where you can clearly see the top of both headtube lugs. Is that double-diamond cutout on the bottom side of the top headtube lug?