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Old 02-02-19, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Yup, kinda what I had in mind. But first I'd need to be able to do one of my two favorite 6 mile TT routes completely in the drops on my stock Ironman. Usually I can last 3-5 minutes before the neck says nope.

Realistically, it ain't ever gonna happen. I'd better reconsider my phobia of aero bars.
Aero bars won't resolve the neck issue, as they typically place the torso slightly lower than when riding in the drops.
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Old 02-02-19, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
Thanks for the replies guys but it seems that a lot of you are focusing on the photos at the beginning of the post...
While not being your frame, it is identical to your frame, so it's appropriate to use it for reference. Both are Tange Infinity tubing with eyelets on the rear dropouts, which is strange for a funny bike, as they point towards lower end and who would put fenders or a rack on a funny bike? The only thing from your frame that might provide further information is the actual serial number.
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Old 02-02-19, 02:00 PM
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​​​​​​​Don't worry help is on its way...Monday.
Uh-oh, I may be in trouble now.

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Aero bars won't resolve the neck issue, as they typically place the torso slightly lower than when riding in the drops.
Yup, but I'm curious enough to give it a try. There are a couple of reasonably safe routes with smooth pavement and little traffic where I can practice.

I'm getting re-evaluated by ortho in a month or so for the pesky neck problems from 2001 and shoulder injury from last year. I'm curious to see what they say about the old C2 injury. For years the C2 was splintered into three pieces, per imaging. But last year's new diagnostics show the vertebrae appears to have healed, congealed or whatever it is bone does eventually. But it's unusually thickened and still feels crunchy in some neck positions.

We'll see. By which I mean "We'll see whether I can finally snag a legit KOM without a tailwind or paceline assist from teammates."
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Old 02-02-19, 02:09 PM
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My theory is those eyelets on the dropouts were designed to support the freakishly long extended Xenomorph helmets designed by HR Giger for the Alien Triathlon.



Just because you're wearing a tinfoil aero helmet, that doesn't mean the Xenomorphs aren't out to get you.
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Old 02-02-19, 07:13 PM
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Thank you for posting the pix CO Hoya

I know my frame is the same I was just stating that one is not mine, I only have the farme set. It is also the same as the one from Greece.

The serial number on the frame is Y8C4652
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Old 02-02-19, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
The serial number on the frame is Y8C4652
The serial number on my frame is Y8C4620

I wouldn't mind having that fork, but I'll make do with the Zunow (thanks, @billytwosheds!)
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If what's left of my memory serves, there was a discussion on the big Centurion thread, a few years ago, about someone selling these Turbo frames+forks. It was someone over in England who had a small quantity of them and was selling them directly, I think. I don't know where that Greek vendor got his frames, but I can't help but think there's a box of forks floating around somewhere out there.
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Old 02-03-19, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
The serial number on my frame is Y8C4620


I wouldn't mind having that fork, but I'll make do with the Zunow (thanks, @billytwosheds!)

Im curious, since our two serial numbers are only 30 units apart, what is your frame and can you post a picture of it?
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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
If what's left of my memory serves, there was a discussion on the big Centurion thread, a few years ago, about someone selling these Turbo frames+forks. It was someone over in England who had a small quantity of them and was selling them directly, I think. I don't know where that Greek vendor got his frames, but I can't help but think there's a box of forks floating around somewhere out there.
I definitely remember that topic coming up before.
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Im curious, since our two serial numbers are only 30 units apart, what is your frame and can you post a picture of it?





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Very nice Robbie.

Since the majority seem to think there never was a "real" factory one. And nothing online......Is it feasible someone ( WSI or an individual) had a lot made by another manufacturer or frame builder then just painted and put decals on them? If they were fakes it would seem the serial numbers would be much farther apart. Possibly made for a team that never happened? You guys have mentioned someone in the past with some frames. The guy that owns the one at the beginning of the post said he bought his from a guy that had 10 of them. It would make the most sense to me seeing as its been done before. Murray used Serotta frames for the 7-11 team (lots of stories on that on Google). I'm sure others have done the same as it would be the most cost effective way to start a team.
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Here's a real Centurion Le Mans. Wonderful color on this bike. I mean ................... how many shades of pink are there?
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I think someone wanted to make and sell the frames.
My take is that WSI was aware of them:
1-The font uses the connected ENTURI in Centurion. Trademarked?
2-The Turbo logo. Trademarked?
3-The 1987 "Miami Vice" magenta or fuscia or whatever color appears the same.
4-The paint quality.
5-The lugs are similar to the 1987 Ironman Expert
6-The circumstance. This was a production run, of sorts, not a one-off fake.

There are differences, of course, from the standard Centurion fare of the time span. The original Turbo, for instance, is from an era prior to the so-80's later Ironman and other models. The frame tubing, the fork, the Shimano SFR rear dropouts (that include an eyelet). The frame is well made, well finished, and perhaps there actually were 30 or more make, given the number. I'm not sure.

I don't think they are fake anything. I think they are what they are, cool funny bike frames made similar to the late 80's Centurions, with decals that hark back to the earlier 80's Centurions, and with dropouts available at the time. I can't see how WSI or Centurion or the people involved at Centurion would not have known about them. Maybe Alan Goldsmith would know, as he was certainly involved with Centurion in that time frame. I'm not asking him. Well made, well done. I hope mine can be well built.

There is many a smart and beautiful dog in this world, for which the owners cannot supply pedigree papers signed by some society of elitists, in many cases to the detriment of the breed. Ignorance is bliss and I'm happy with the frame and what may come of it.
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Quite possibly, IMO, the best looking Lemans produced. Set up right, one heck of an all-around bike.
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Here's a real Centurion Le Mans. Wonderful color on this bike. I mean ................... how many shades of pink are there?
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You could swipe a 650 fork from one of these. Also the color seems to match. After all Centurion did make a 650 bike...kinda think how this bike was morphed from.
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Not getting the point on the tools, and that is a nice 650 bike, which would then be a nice 650 bike minus a fork.....

...don't know if the white is the right color, but moot point, as there would be a headset cup to break up the line of sight.

Pretty sure the Zunow fork will work just fine. Can't wait to see @cdaniels' build.
Gotta get the frame to a paint store to get a matching color for the body shop to paint it with.
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By the way, did everyone catch the complete and orderly bike shop that the OP has?
What a nice place to work on bikes.
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Knowing markwesti he meant cut those fender eyelets OFF.
Personally I'd leave them on and turn it into a single speed TT Funny bike with a rear fender. So that way all the cyclist would say "what the hell? Then I'd point to the Centurion decal. Then they'd say oh another "Centurion fan boy nut job", maybe it's Robbie tunes, nah he's going too slow.
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I'm tellin' ya, the key to those dropout eyelets is hidden somewhere in the fevered imaginations of HR Giger or Escher.
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Hmm, maybe something like this.
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Not getting the point on the tools,
RT , a few beers ago I related to a few amigos that I had a deep distaste for fender mounts on race bikes . The amigos lost their shi* and gave me a Veloforums type flaming , I found it humorous and took no offence but you did and proceeded to rip them new ones , I took that to hart . Anyhow , still to this day I say the only good cheerios are floating in my bowl of milk with sugar . OK , I will say that I'm warming up to pink unicorns .
I can change .
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RT , a few beers ago I related to a few amigos that I had a deep distaste for fender mounts on race bikes . The amigos lost their shi* and gave me a Veloforums type flaming , I found it humorous and took no offence but you did and proceeded to rip them new ones , I took that to hart . Anyhow , still to this day I say the only good cheerios are floating in my bowl of milk with sugar . OK , I will say that I'm warming up to pink unicorns .
I can change .
Ah. My transgressions, real and imagined, are so many, perhaps I should have catalogued them.

I had a Cinelli Super Corsa with eyelets. Drove me up the wall. I've surely mellowed since, relative to the "Turbo" funny bike.
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