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Old 02-03-19, 01:12 AM
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Fuji 441 tubing?

The seat tube decal reads "Fuji Chrome Molybdenum Steel Tubing 441".

Since there is no mention of double butting I assume this is a single thickness tube set?

But what are the qualities of 441 tubing? How does it rank/compare to other Chrome Molybdenum tubing?

This is on a Fuji Grand Tourer SE, 12 speed.

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Nothing special about it, a relatively hefty frame IIRC.
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I kept this from research years ago. Supposed to be the ranking of Fuji Tubing:

FUJI 9658 quadruple butted chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI 331 double butted chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI VALite 1769 quadruple butted steel tubing
FUJI 441 chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI VALite 212 double butted steel tubing
FUJI VALite 414 butted steel tubing
FUJI 661 high tension steel tubing"
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
I kept this from research years ago. Supposed to be the ranking of Fuji Tubing:

FUJI 9658 quadruple butted chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI 331 double butted chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI VALite 1769 quadruple butted steel tubing
FUJI 441 chrome molybdenum steel tubing
FUJI VALite 212 double butted steel tubing
FUJI VALite 414 butted steel tubing
FUJI 661 high tension steel tubing"
Should that be "High tensile", not "high tension"?
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Should that be "High tensile", not "high tension"?
Interchangeable terms
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Thanks to all and especially jamesdak for the ranking of Fuji tubing, copied into a file.
I am looking towards the next grand daughters bike and finding a Mixte/Loop Frame with good tubing in the frame is either a bunch of $$$ or just taking the time until something comes up.
So, the more I know the better my choices, thanks again.
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From the 1980 catalog. That was the only year for the SE.
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Kross57, Oooof, 31lbs, added again to my search file, this is about 6lbs more than what I will accept for this build. So again really nice to know and will keep looking, I've got a couple years before she will be ready so no rush. I know their are lighter mixte frames just a matter of time and patience. Thanks again.
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Kross57, Oooof, 31lbs, added again to my search file, this is about 6lbs more than what I will accept for this build. So again really nice to know and will keep looking, I've got a couple years before she will be ready so no rush. I know their are lighter mixte frames just a matter of time and patience. Thanks again.
It's tough. My wife is a fan of the mixte frame as well. The lowest I've seen in a Fuji is around 26.5 pounds from the mid 80s. The mixte models always seems to add a couple of pounds. Motobecane had the Grand Jubilee in a mixte frame at about 26 pounds.
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Yes, Mixte's are a real blessing in design. My 8 year old grand daughter is riding a full size, 700c tires, Mixte and loving it. You can set it up with extra long Suntour stem friction shifters which then provide the leverage she needs so she does not have to wear herself out tugging on a short shifter. Add swept back handle bars solves reach until she's ready for drop bars. Full sized 700c wheels are so much easier for them to get into balance and much more stable, less twitchy then the smaller wheel sets and the Mixte frame design allows her to step over it. It's just a bit of searching to find double butted lugged frame sets and higher quality tube sets, they just didn't make many, but they are out there.

Do you recall which models of the Fuji Mixte were in the 25-6 lb range?
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Yes, Mixte's are a real blessing in design. My 8 year old grand daughter is riding a full size, 700c tires, Mixte and loving it. You can set it up with extra long Suntour stem friction shifters which then provide the leverage she needs so she does not have to wear herself out tugging on a short shifter. Add swept back handle bars solves reach until she's ready for drop bars. Full sized 700c wheels are so much easier for them to get into balance and much more stable, less twitchy then the smaller wheel sets and the Mixte frame design allows her to step over it. It's just a bit of searching to find double butted lugged frame sets and higher quality tube sets, they just didn't make many, but they are out there.

Do you recall which models of the Fuji Mixte were in the 25-6 lb range?
Look at the Espree and Royale II from around 83-84.

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