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Old 02-11-19, 04:11 PM
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Christine McVie. !
AKA Christine Perfect.
People talk about "early."
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Attempting to keep in a bike 'theme', this depicted Canadian has it all going on. Cheers

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I’m sorry - but 5 pages on a pretty face from possibly the most boring, fake, period of music that ever existed. Basically everyone from that scene not named Zevon was garbage. Fetid garbage. None more boring than Rondstad. She’s the musical equivalent of Katsup.

To even mention luminaries like Aretha and Ella on a page to Rondstad is like talking about Run DMC in a conversation about Vanilla Ice.
Mr.Zevon, though, wrote for Rontstadt, and had no problem bringing her on stage, as did Lowell George, the Eagles, Neil Young, later Doobies, Los Lobos, and many others. Perhaps they considered her a good backup? And liking her pretty face is no different than liking a shiny bike. It may not ride as well, but it's pretty.

I think the clue is "the era." Artists who did their own thing ended up on record labels doing the labels' thing, until they made enough money or fulfilled contracts so they could go back and do their own thing, expand, improve, etc. Mutt Lange and Ted Templeman had more control over what I heard from an artist than the artist did. Even Motown was pretty strictly controlled. When I went to record store, I'd ask what just came in from Chess, or Gator Records, first. I knew what the major labels had out there. A fine example is the Warner Bros. Loss Leader collection. $2 for a double LP, and as wide a range of people that "didn't make it" back then as I've seen. But today, names a lot of us know, singing songs we never heard on the radio.

I agree, Aaron, to some extent. To me, the mainstream music range then was narrow, as far as what I could really get ahold of and hear. I remember walking out of a record store in Memphis, 4 cassettes in hand, and thinking, "these are all pretty lame." Buffet, Browne, Benatar, and the Cars. What I didn't realize at the time, is that they promoted 1 song to get me to buy the cassette, spent a lot of money getting a songwriter to find a hook and sink it in me, for one song, to spend $6.99 (thank you Tom Petty, for extending that).

Back then, an album had 1 or 2 songs you knew, probably 5 better songs you didn't pay attention to, and 1 or 2 that were really good but not released as singles. The FF and RW buttons, I'll admit, probably limited my experience at the time. My military lifestyle was not always conducive to sitting around and listening to LP's.

Lots of artists got better as they diverged from the packages a label insisted upon, and then their travels allowed them to see, hear, and experience other artists. I remember the guitarist for REO Speedwagon saying they really hadn't heard a lot of music until they made enough money so everyone in the band could have a stereo. I heard them coming up, covering Chuck Berry, and improvising in concert, etc. When they went big, the label picked and chose, period. Another example of "exposure" is in the book Here, There, and Everywhere by one of the Beatles' engineers. When the band started really making money, they started listening more to other artists, because they had the access, and expanded their own stuff. Ask any recording engineer with grey hair how important Brian Wilson's work was, but on AM and FM radio, a lot of it was lost.

Aretha Franklin should be in a class by herself, and not lumped with others. Just MHO. She covered the gamut, and had the pipes to fill in for Grammy-winning opera stars and bring the house down, singing opera.

Many artists could have done better work, but like any job, many did what they were told, and sold, and if they wanted to stop, and could, they did. Benatar could have done opera, as she was trained, or blues, or other genres. Doesn't mean she had to, and I don't think she feels inferior because she didn't.

There are plenty of male artists that had great pipes and were stuck in one genre, as well, because that's where the money was. Rob Halford, for example. The obstacles were bigger for female artists. First they had to convince a band to front them, then they had to convince a record label, then they had to convince a public that was used to something else.

People don't remember the simultaneous chaos and control the producers, promoters, and labels had during that time. The lifestyle killed more than just big names, and sidelined a lot more than it killed. No one knows what "might have been" had some of these people survived, or didn't quit, or if there was successful rehab available, etc.

Given all that went on, we're lucky to have the people we do have.

My son is 24. Some of the music he listens to, I can't fathom. Some is really good, and they did it in a garage with $3000 in equipment that would have cost $100,000 back in the day.

Just like we like classic & vintage steel bikes, we probably have comfort level with music from certain era's, as our brains are tired of being surprised.

Think about attention spans, and what people think commitment is, today vs. "back then?"
How many current guitar players would open up the webbing on their fingers to reach 7 frets on a jazz bass?
How many would work 320+ days a year, in sessions, concerts, doing movie scores, whatever job came up?
"Window of opportunity" may be cliché, but performing artists are extremely aware of it.

PS: I'm with T-Mar on Rockpile. I think to be a kid buying LP's in the 70's in England, music by kids who bought American blues LP's in the 60's, that would have been pretty cool.

Who is RunDMC? The last rap I listened to was Schooly-D's "B'Boy Rhyme and Riddle." Then again, I stopped watching MTV when Martha Quinn was still hot.


Non-rant over. Disorganized, incoherent, but it's out there.
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Attempting to keep in a bike 'theme', this depicted Canadian has it all going on. Cheers.
I think @noglider and I agreed, "first we take Manhattan" in a "famous blue raincoat," while a "bird on a wire" watches. She gots pipes.

Is that Michael Bublé riding by?
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There's been so many great singers and Anne Murray was one of them but she never composed a song or wrote a lyric. She was fortunate enough to have the great Gene MacLellan write Snow Bird for her and her fame was established (million records sold in the US) but she struggled the rest of her career trying to find songs that were a good fit.


Carole King has 118 songs under her belt. She has a good voice but it's her writing that will be her legacy.


Great voices are now a dime-a-dozen but only artists can write timeless songs.

This is likely the crux of my issue with Linda Ronstadt. Her songs that I'm familiar with were all written by other people. Even though those writers may be mediocre singers compared to Ronstadt, the feelings that drove them to write the song often transfer better in the singer-songwriter's version. The Ronstadt versions are far from bad but for me they seldom equal the original version.


I have an audiophile friend who hates when I bring over some of my older recordings. The quality of the recordings drives him up the wall. For instance, while I prefer to listen to Orbison's Momument recordings from the early 1960s, he'd rather to listen to the new versions cut by Roy in the very late 1980s. For him it's all about the improved sound but for me there's something missing in those performances. After he's been performing them for 25+ years, they don't have the same immediacy and vibrancy as when the Big O sat down to record them for the first time. The performance means more to me than the sound quality.


If the performance moves me, emotionally, I'll buy the recording. They don't have to great vocalists or recordings. Conversely, there are a lot of great vocalists, whose performances don't move me. Ronstadt's cover versions fall into that category for me. That's likely why I prefer her singing the old pop standards. She's not at such as disadvantage, because most of them them were not penned by recording artists.
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5 pages on a pretty face from possibly the most boring, fake, period of music that ever existed. Basically everyone from that scene not named Zevon was garbage... None more boring than Rondstad.
Something tells me Warren wouldn't approve of your post.

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Initially successful as a band leader, Zevon struggled to have a solo career until his music was performed by Linda Ronstadt. This launched a cult following that lasted for 25 years.
Check out the personnel on Excitable Boy.


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This is likely the crux of my issue with Linda Ronstadt. Her songs that I'm familiar with were all written by other people. Even though those writers may be mediocre singers compared to Ronstadt, the feelings that drove them to write the song often transfer better in the singer-songwriter's version. The Ronstadt versions are far from bad but for me they seldom equal the original version.

I can't agree. I offer Emmylou Harris as rebuttal. Her covers are often the definitive versions of songs by Townes Van Zant, Willie Nelson, ect.

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I can't agree. I offer Emmylou Harris as rebuttal. Her covers are often the definitive versions of songs by Townes Van Zant, Willie Nelson, ect.

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Likely my favorite song where Linda was backing up Neil. (and there were plenty)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khMHMY-egmg
Which did she do more, cover him or back him up?


Love Neil .... and the '70s.
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Jennifer Warnes was every bit as capable.
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Stevie Nicks was greatly influenced by....

Peace and Love ~~ rebelious counter culture, party girl, and very talented Grace Slick.


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AKA Christine Perfect.
People talk about "early."
Mariann Faithful.
I'm just starting to dig deep into the many incarnations of Fleetwood Mac, lots of good stuff
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Slightly off topic by looking at the album cover shot of Linda in SurferRosa's post. If you take a full frontal facial photo of nearly anyone and draw a line down the center of the head, and then examine the position of their eyes, nostrils, mouths, and ears you will find that we (our faces at least) are not symmetrical.
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Another Canadian Songbird Margot Timmins of the Cowboy Junkies.

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Most young singers today are studio dubbed type only. The big stage act presentation covers their poor ability to carry and they need audio voice over.

Another Canadian, Shania Twain who could naturally pump it out. Only once had seen her and it was quite a performance.

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The current crop of female singers like Halsey, Dua lipa, Camila Cabello,etc are very talented. And the things yall foggies are saying is because you forgot about Love and relationships. Cause that's what kids mostly sing about. But you get older and you listen to story type songs instead of feeling/soul type songs. I get it , heck I was on that boat too until I feel in love again. The insecurities, nervousness, anxiousness, etc are all the things we forget as we age. I'm talking first date, first kiss, first I love you, first, well you get the point. Things y'all are criticizing the current singers about are the same things they said about the beetles, before that perry como, and before that etc.
Ultimately Music is Subjective. And its possible we may never get another voice as pure as Whitney Houston or National King Cole in our lifetime but Linda's was pretty dang good and so are those current ones I mentioned.
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Most young singers today are studio dubbed type only. The big stage act presentation covers their poor ability to carry and they need audio voice over.

Another Canadian, Shania Twain who could naturally pump it out. Only once had seen her and it was quite a performance.

And then there was the Leopard outfit.

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Back when, I think another very powerful singer and talent was Patti Smith. Though I greatly skip her politics and all that other static.
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I offer Emmylou Harris as rebuttal.
Emmylou is also royalty but a different family. It's not just the voice or the songs but the whole nut. She's the centre of a network of the best.
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I've learned the photo is from 1978. Is that Tom Selleck behind the service counter? Ha
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The current crop of female singers like Halsey, Dua lipa, Camila Cabello,etc are very talented. And the things yall foggies are saying is because you forgot about Love and relationships. Cause that's what kids mostly sing about. But you get older and you listen to story type songs instead of feeling/soul type songs. I get it , heck I was on that boat too until I feel in love again. The insecurities, nervousness, anxiousness, etc are all the things we forget as we age. I'm talking first date, first kiss, first I love you, first, well you get the point. Things y'all are criticizing the current singers about are the same things they said about the beetles, before that perry como, and before that etc.
Ultimately Music is Subjective. And its possible we may never get another voice as pure as Whitney Houston or National King Cole in our lifetime but Linda's was pretty dang good and so are those current ones I mentioned.


....and speaking of Canadian artists, 3 of my favorites. All independent & singer / songwriters
the face in my avatar Emily Hanes of Metric
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I'm just starting to dig deep into the many incarnations of Fleetwood Mac, lots of good stuff
Many incarnations indeed, and they were great. Before the addition Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham...and the Mac morphed into...um...pop music.

Ronstadt was never my thing, as she represented, to me, pop music, Top Forty, you know.
Back then, me and the guys I hung with wanted absolutely nothing to do with pop music.
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Which did she do more, cover him or back him up?

https://youtu.be/jRT5R7e6lQw

Love Neil .... and the '70s.
I'm not sure, but he did help launch her career.

Early Boost From Neil Young Came With Strings for Linda Ronstadt

Another classic:

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I didn't read all the comments so maybe this was already mentioned. But I would like to see her ride that bike barefoot like it looks like she's going to do. Oh yeah, that was poised picture.

I favorite looking rockers from back in those days was Stevie Nicks and Pat Benatar.
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As Diana Krall has been mentioned one of her contempories Holy Cole deserves a mention. Another Canadian girl

Holy Cole.

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