Linda Ronstadt, 1978
02-12-19, 09:29 AM
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How can you go wrong with Joss Stone and Jeff Beck covering a Curtis Mayfield classic?
So many others...Laura Nyro, Joan Osborne, Natalie Merchant, Norah Jones. Did anyone mention Patsy Cline yet?
So many others...Laura Nyro, Joan Osborne, Natalie Merchant, Norah Jones. Did anyone mention Patsy Cline yet?
02-12-19, 09:37 AM
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This is my problem as well. It's Pavlovian and still has staying power 40 years later. Anything commercial was triaged away to make time and room for a greater variety of less accessible and more challenging music.
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The only place Rondstad has in a conversation with Emmy Lou Harris is that of “why did anybody listen to___when____ was around”. Emmy Lou Harris sung with guts. Craft. Linda Rondstad’s ceiling should have been Lawrence Welk backup band.
Gram Parsons, Emmy Lou, Townes...that crowd released some damn fine work.
Neil Young has some good songs, but overall he’s a third rate Dylan, and, frankly, he’s not terribly bright. Hella overrated.
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+1 on them being OK, but Dylan is nowhere near my top 100. Overhyped, under-critiqued darling of the trend of the times. He could spit an album and someone would say it was landmark. Same with Springsteen. Appeal to the correct crowd, and success guaranteed.
But, if the other members of the Wilburys wanted him in, that's enough for me. Same should go with those who invited Ronstadt to perform, and wrote songs for her. I yield to their judgement.
Show me a collective body of work to equal Pete Townsend. Songs, screenplays, rock opera, soundtracks, movie scores, book editor (Doubleday). He'll never get the recognition of Sir Elton or Sir Paul, because he's not politically correct, nor are his fans. Doesn't make him less talented or driven or precise; or even wrong, for that matter.
But, if the other members of the Wilburys wanted him in, that's enough for me. Same should go with those who invited Ronstadt to perform, and wrote songs for her. I yield to their judgement.
Show me a collective body of work to equal Pete Townsend. Songs, screenplays, rock opera, soundtracks, movie scores, book editor (Doubleday). He'll never get the recognition of Sir Elton or Sir Paul, because he's not politically correct, nor are his fans. Doesn't make him less talented or driven or precise; or even wrong, for that matter.
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I'm grateful for living through that era.
Thank Bog they didn't have Auto-Tune back then.
It all sounds the same to me nowadays.
Old fahrt talkin'
Thank Bog they didn't have Auto-Tune back then.
It all sounds the same to me nowadays.
Old fahrt talkin'
02-12-19, 11:57 AM
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I think Young's music talent is correctly rated, but like many other musicians, his grasp of the rest of the world was off a bit. The California thing....trying to bludgeon the rest of the country with their values, or lack thereof... For example, Joe Walsh being hounded for appearing on The Drew Cary show.
No one has a sense of irreverent humor any more. Where has all the insolence gone?
02-12-19, 12:01 PM
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+1 on them being OK, but Dylan is nowhere near my top 100. Overhyped, under-critiqued darling of the trend of the times. He could spit an album and someone would say it was landmark. Same with Springsteen. Appeal to the correct crowd, and success guaranteed.
But, if the other members of the Wilburys wanted him in, that's enough for me. Same should go with those who invited Ronstadt to perform, and wrote songs for her. I yield to their judgement.
Show me a collective body of work to equal Pete Townsend. Songs, screenplays, rock opera, soundtracks, movie scores, book editor (Doubleday). He'll never get the recognition of Sir Elton or Sir Paul, because he's not politically correct, nor are his fans. Doesn't make him less talented or driven or precise; or even wrong, for that matter.
But, if the other members of the Wilburys wanted him in, that's enough for me. Same should go with those who invited Ronstadt to perform, and wrote songs for her. I yield to their judgement.
Show me a collective body of work to equal Pete Townsend. Songs, screenplays, rock opera, soundtracks, movie scores, book editor (Doubleday). He'll never get the recognition of Sir Elton or Sir Paul, because he's not politically correct, nor are his fans. Doesn't make him less talented or driven or precise; or even wrong, for that matter.
I just always assumed Zevon made a buck off of Linda’s mediocrity, and that was enough. Hell, I’d sell to whoever was buying too.
Agree to some extent on Bruce, and Dylan does get a free pass, but that free pass is based on him redefining what pop and rock could be. It’s deserved as much as a free pass can be, though I agree that no one needs the last 20 years of Dylan’s career.
02-12-19, 12:02 PM
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Joe Walsh was hilarious on Drew btw, and on Stern.
The political side - I’ll stay away. I suspect that we have some differences on that front, and that’s ok. Ray Davies being the most talented song writer of the big four isn’t really political to me.
The Beatles were probably the best overall band, and the stones rocked the hardest...but the kinks had the best written material. I’d rank The Who as less consistent personally. They have some high highs...but some of their stuff is unlistenable. And it took them a few albums to stop being Shel’s kink’s clone.
I’m also just not a fan of the pretty boy/high voice front man.
The political side - I’ll stay away. I suspect that we have some differences on that front, and that’s ok. Ray Davies being the most talented song writer of the big four isn’t really political to me.
The Beatles were probably the best overall band, and the stones rocked the hardest...but the kinks had the best written material. I’d rank The Who as less consistent personally. They have some high highs...but some of their stuff is unlistenable. And it took them a few albums to stop being Shel’s kink’s clone.
I’m also just not a fan of the pretty boy/high voice front man.
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02-12-19, 12:17 PM
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Pete Townsend < Ray Davies. Not even really close
I just always assumed Zevon made a buck off of Linda’s mediocrity, and that was enough. Hell, I’d sell to whoever was buying too.
Agree to some extent on Bruce, and Dylan does get a free pass, but that free pass is based on him redefining what pop and rock could be. It’s deserved as much as a free pass can be, though I agree that no one needs the last 20 years of Dylan’s career.
I just always assumed Zevon made a buck off of Linda’s mediocrity, and that was enough. Hell, I’d sell to whoever was buying too.
Agree to some extent on Bruce, and Dylan does get a free pass, but that free pass is based on him redefining what pop and rock could be. It’s deserved as much as a free pass can be, though I agree that no one needs the last 20 years of Dylan’s career.
Technology from WWII created affordable transistors. Car radios. 45's. Affordable studio recording technology.
The economy after WWII created affordable automobiles. Teenagers not only had cars to drive, and radios to hear; they had pocket money to spend, and became a market for the same music they heard in the car.
Rock/Pop music came from the expansion of influences that were no longer forced under economic and racial bootheels. As much, anyway, we'll never know how fast or how far that change could really have come, less the restraints in place.
Human nature (the baby boom after WWII) and the subsequent desire of teenagers to hear "different" music in the car and buy it locally helped to make musicians think they were agents of social change. They weren't, but many seem to think so. A study (Ball State, I think) found no correlation between the music people preferred and their politics. I think, now, that may be different, but I don't know.
It was an interesting paper, though. The professors familiar with it urged it to be sent out for publication. The student just wrote it for the grade, and moved on.
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Another classic (with Ronstadt).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2MtEsrcTTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2MtEsrcTTs
02-12-19, 12:42 PM
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I hear you. My other pet peeve with a lot of recent pop music is the tendency to sing 50 notes where 3 or 4 will do. I can appreciate technical talent, but when it’s not in the service of the song it gets tiresome real fast.
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You’re making it tougher to dance around politics but…
I think redefining away from the earlier generation has always been a part of music, and art in general. If it weren’t you’d have total stagnation. You’re not supposed to like what your kids listened to. Rock never bothered my parents…not even punk did. Public Enemy most assuredly did…and I’m sure that’s part of my fondness for it.
This is even in Republic for heaven’s sakes. And misunderstood by most. Watching the religious fanatics try and repurpose, and misunderstand, Plato was really funny to me when I was a college freshman.
As far as music and politics, I wouldn’t care about someone’s opinion because they were a musician/actor/teamster, etc…and I wouldn’t discard it because of that either. Frankly I think most people are idiotic when it comes to politics, and I find the opinions of nearly everyone intolerable. Most opinions come from a position of idealism, and I’m radically anti-idealist. I start at the position of first show the status quo doesn’t work, understand why it’s the status quo, with context, and then I’ll consider change…phased in with compromise. I like evolution. I’m a radical moderate in many ways.
Q: “what do we want?”
A: “Iterative change!”
Q: “When do we want it?”
A: “After suitable debate and slow implementation!”
Some musicians, contractors, etc. are sharp and worth listening to. Most aren’t. People generally are quick to follow others who finger point and blame. They’re quick to complain about other people’s subsidies while ignoring their own. I generally hate populism. From either political side.
One of the saddest/funniest experiences of my life came last week preparing a return for a friend’s brother. Guy has multiple political bumper stickers on his car…hasn’t filed taxes ever. In his life, Has sucked up public resources with DUIs. Driven uninsured. No health insurance…and he complained non-stop about minorities and immigrants abusing the system. He also complained about athletes and musicians sharing opinions. With his 27 angry bumper stickers and his high school GED. He’s actually a bright guy…but man!
Hypocrisy is no stranger to the human condition.
The world is complicated. Most issues are complicated and nuanced. Most people have very simple, strident, opinions.
I think redefining away from the earlier generation has always been a part of music, and art in general. If it weren’t you’d have total stagnation. You’re not supposed to like what your kids listened to. Rock never bothered my parents…not even punk did. Public Enemy most assuredly did…and I’m sure that’s part of my fondness for it.
This is even in Republic for heaven’s sakes. And misunderstood by most. Watching the religious fanatics try and repurpose, and misunderstand, Plato was really funny to me when I was a college freshman.
As far as music and politics, I wouldn’t care about someone’s opinion because they were a musician/actor/teamster, etc…and I wouldn’t discard it because of that either. Frankly I think most people are idiotic when it comes to politics, and I find the opinions of nearly everyone intolerable. Most opinions come from a position of idealism, and I’m radically anti-idealist. I start at the position of first show the status quo doesn’t work, understand why it’s the status quo, with context, and then I’ll consider change…phased in with compromise. I like evolution. I’m a radical moderate in many ways.
Q: “what do we want?”
A: “Iterative change!”
Q: “When do we want it?”
A: “After suitable debate and slow implementation!”
Some musicians, contractors, etc. are sharp and worth listening to. Most aren’t. People generally are quick to follow others who finger point and blame. They’re quick to complain about other people’s subsidies while ignoring their own. I generally hate populism. From either political side.
One of the saddest/funniest experiences of my life came last week preparing a return for a friend’s brother. Guy has multiple political bumper stickers on his car…hasn’t filed taxes ever. In his life, Has sucked up public resources with DUIs. Driven uninsured. No health insurance…and he complained non-stop about minorities and immigrants abusing the system. He also complained about athletes and musicians sharing opinions. With his 27 angry bumper stickers and his high school GED. He’s actually a bright guy…but man!
Hypocrisy is no stranger to the human condition.
The world is complicated. Most issues are complicated and nuanced. Most people have very simple, strident, opinions.
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And with Neils songs you can actually understand what he is trying to convey.
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Whole bunch of memories for me here! The one and only bike I ever purchased was in that era, a 1980 Trek 715 which I still own, and ride frequently. One of my good friends had a visitor, who I only knew as "Tuscon Ron". He was visiting from Arizona (obviously) and he was with his girlfriend (don't remember her name) who was the sister of Linda Ronstad! This was in Santa Barbara, Ca. and I bought the bike at Open Air Bicycles. As I was paying for the bike, the man next to me buying a bike for is daughter, was Gene Hackman! I still have all the original paperwork for the bike. It's a great ride! I put over 800 miles on it this last summer (and I'm 70).
Looks like your first post; so welcome to the forum. If you get the chance, you could show us your 715 some time; we love pictures.
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Pete Townsend < Ray Davies. Not even really close
I just always assumed Zevon made a buck off of Linda’s mediocrity, and that was enough. Hell, I’d sell to whoever was buying too.
Agree to some extent on Bruce, and Dylan does get a free pass, but that free pass is based on him redefining what pop and rock could be. It’s deserved as much as a free pass can be, though I agree that no one needs the last 20 years of Dylan’s career.
I just always assumed Zevon made a buck off of Linda’s mediocrity, and that was enough. Hell, I’d sell to whoever was buying too.
Agree to some extent on Bruce, and Dylan does get a free pass, but that free pass is based on him redefining what pop and rock could be. It’s deserved as much as a free pass can be, though I agree that no one needs the last 20 years of Dylan’s career.
02-12-19, 01:13 PM
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I wouldn’t say that, but you may not be very good at math, since time out of mind is 22 years old
To clarify, I checked the release date before the post!
To clarify, I checked the release date before the post!
02-12-19, 01:17 PM
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It’s lonely in the middle!
I’m sure that you can handle strident opinions over subjective taste, that make debate more lively, without being personally offended. I am fortunate enough to have some wonderful friends who are patient with my sense of humor...some in the forum! I do appreciate your concern.
My current special lady friend does mock my proclivities towards insufferable know it all. She’s just jealous that I’m better at jeopardy.
I’m sure that you can handle strident opinions over subjective taste, that make debate more lively, without being personally offended. I am fortunate enough to have some wonderful friends who are patient with my sense of humor...some in the forum! I do appreciate your concern.
My current special lady friend does mock my proclivities towards insufferable know it all. She’s just jealous that I’m better at jeopardy.
02-12-19, 01:37 PM
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Jeez, I don't know any of those people. In '78 I was 15 and in Love with my GF Kim. All I listened to was pop music on the radio and R&B on my turntable. Never even heard of the clash until the 90s. I was into Isley brothers, Earth, Wind, and Fire. The Ohio players, brothers Johnson, Commondores, Brick, etc... In '77, '78 the female singers on the radio I just dug there hits like Linda Ronstadt, Dolly Parton, Nicollete Larson, etc I never had any of there albums. It wasn't til the '80s and a different GF before I really took notice of female singers like Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Sade, even Madonna. From Dolly "here he comes again" to Madonnas "get into the groove" and every female artist in between I have at least one favorite all time song. I guess I'm really really Cheesy, but I'd put Gladys Knight and Karen Carpenters voice up against any female singer past or present... and for looks SADE.