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Old 02-06-19, 06:41 PM
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The "two-hour, yard-sale-find, Raleigh International build."

I've been pretty content keeping my collection at N = N for lack of any surprise finds at yard sales for a number of years now, but just last weekend, I had the surprising fortune to pick up a Fuji Finest - chrome well worse for wear - and a copper Raleigh International.



The Finest's chrome is flaking down to the steel, but the International's chrome is surprisingly intact under a serious layer of surface crap. It's pretty darn hard to clean off.



At any rate, neither fit me - so I had no reason to worry about the N + 1 = N syndrome, and have had them sitting around - mainly as I've been procrastinating over cleaning the International's chrome for a flip.

However... I had a tentative agreement with a coworker that I could lend them something reasonably comfortable for a bike course tomorrow, and forgot to dig up that over the weekend. But the International fit the bill for size, and with my limited amount of parts at present, I knew I had just enough parts that would fit it.

So, at around 8:30 in the evening on Tuesday, I cued the A-Team theme and began throwing this thing together with anything and everything in sight; hang the cleanup job. This is what came of it, two hours later:



Not bad for a speed build utilizing whatever I found - mostly by chance and cobbled through some ingenuity - in my unreasonably sparse pile.

The final parts build wound up something like this:
  • Sugino thick-cup BB pulled directly from the Fuji Finest. The MW-68 spindle was swapped in favor of a Shimano spindle with a JIS taper, given the cranks.
  • Shimano 68mm spindle for a triple - 122.5mm. It was the only one I had, and to avoid horrible chainline, I installed it backwards. Hell with the Q-factor!
  • BB spindle bolts off a Shimano UN71 that welded itself to the adjustable cup
  • Handlebar and Dia-Compe brake levers off the 1980 "Stump Dump" Raleigh Sports from pastorbobnlnh (though I believe the handlebar and stem are off an earlier Raleigh, and I put them on the '80)
  • Late Raleigh bullet grips from...well, I don't remember.
  • Some sort of Shimano triple drive side crankarm, 110BCD. I believe I used a Sugino on the left side.
  • Modern Rotor 50t 110BCD outer ring - unused from my Raleigh Twenty camera bike project - and a Vuelta 38t inner ring, paired with some spare chainring bolts
  • A godawful new pulloff Shimano RD from a cheap Chinese folder. It was the ONLY spare I had, so I committed the ultimate (reversible) sin by mounting a derailer with a built in hanger onto a Campagnolo 1010 dropout (this will be the first thing to be rectified!)
  • Some sort of aftermarket 27.2 seatpost I had on my faux Rossin with the Wrights W3N off said Rossin
  • Modern Mavic 700C wheels laced to Record hubs - also off the Rossin
  • Weird mix of a Tektro long-reach dual-pivot and a Campagnolo Record front brake caliper
  • Spare, early Record shift lever for the front derailer. Had to pilfer the right side shiftier lever (a later Record with the meh nylon friction washer) from the Rossin - but it wasn't hooked to anything anyway.
  • Wellgo pedals from a Specialized that my neighbor rode into the ground - somehow, the pedals survived the thrashing that the drivetrain couldn't...
  • Headset, front derailer, shifter clamp, and bottom bracket cable guide came with the International
  • A surprisingly good KMC chain salvaged off a junked Target special (a Roadmaster Granite Peak...yech) that someone had actually tried to maintain at one time.
  • New cables and Teflon-lined housings. I ran out of cable end caps recently, so I soldered the cables - doable on these, as they weren't stainless.
And on a side note, after years of pairing those Weinmann/Dia-Compe brake levers with centerpulls or crappy sidepulls, I was SHOCKED to see how well they stopped this thing dead in its tracks with the Record/Tektro combo - and the feel is surprisingly better with the stiffer Campag sidepull than the somewhat spongy (if completely effective) dual pivot.

With any luck, I'll have some nicer pictures to share when it comes home on Friday. In the meantime, this is what it looked like after its second shakedown test ride. All I had to do was adjust the rear derailer a bit. Front was surprisingly fine, but rubs in low gear. So be it, it was 10:30.





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nice build with what you had to work with.....
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nice build with what you had to work with.....
Trust me, I can't wait to rip off the rear derailer, followed by that modern chainring. My 53T Rotor may look good on the Blasptwenty - behind a chainguard - but not on the International.




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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I've been pretty content keeping my collection at N = N for lack of any surprise finds at yard sales for a number of years now, but just last weekend, I had the surprising fortune to pick up a Fuji Finest - chrome well worse for wear - and a copper Raleigh International.







With any luck, I'll have some nicer pictures to share when it comes home on Friday. In the meantime, this is what it looked like after its second shakedown test ride. All I had to do was adjust the rear derailer a bit. Front was surprisingly fine, but rubs in low gear. So be it, it was 10:30.
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Turned out very nice...Just my size, wrong coast and wrong yard sale!!!
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Man, is that a 52??? If only!!!
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No idea what size it is, really - didn't measure it. Eyeballed it, built it, and found out this morning that I not only got it right, my guess at saddle height was dead-on perfect.

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I'm a few days late to my own party here, but I've finally been able to get back to the International (which turns out to be a 52cm).

First off, apparently, the Wrights W3N finally decided it'd had enough of this world, and proceeded to achieve Elon Musk-levels of Hyperloop acceleration as it shot off into the nearest curb (correction - the saddle nose probably went faster, given the levels of nonsense that the Hyperloop is). Honestly, I'm not surprised; it was nearing the end. Everything except the adjuster bolt was located, so off to eBay it goes .

Said coworker wasn't able to finish the ride because of this, but, as I'm told, the group ride for this "entry level" bike course involved a 3-lane, 45 MPH stroad. All the levels of absurdity you'd expect from vehicular cycling Foresterites* were on display here. Plus, they set the group pace at 22mph for the newbies and wound up splitting the pack into eight sections. Need I mention they had ex-dockless share bikes for those who couldn't bring bikes? That saddle nose had a better sense of timing than most movie editors.

But I digress. I took some beauty shots of the International, sans saddle nose today. I still believe that with the right crankset and derailer, this combination would look pretty phenomenal.



This one is for Pastor Bob...














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*John, I know you're on this forum, and if you want to have an intelligent debate (read = argument) over the hearsay you have published as "research," and how it's ruined bicycle safety and protected bike lane infrastructure in America over the last 30+ years, I'm game for it on the A&S forum. It didn't matter to me so much when I was thinking only of myself, but after hearing it from my coworkers - who are also my friends - your "effective cycling" was just effective enough to hit home and strike a nerve.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
No idea what size it is, really - didn't measure it. Eyeballed it, built it, and found out this morning that I not only got it right, my guess at saddle height was dead-on perfect.

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Listed as 20 - 1/2"
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Very nice! I love the International. Very sweet frame. Thanks for sharing!
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Honestly, this thing rides so zippy that I'm sorely tempted to find a 23" International and move the whole build to it, sans the ugly bits.

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Listed as 20 - 1/2"
That's it then. Had a brain fart there and forgot that Raleigh measured in imperial.

I've gone through my stash, and the very last C&V stem from the '70s that I have spare is an ATAX, which looks surprisingly decent (read = not crack-prone). Almost tempted to throw it on here if it's 22.2 and not 22.0. EDIT: 22.0. So much for that idea.

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Kurt, love the green tipster waste receptacle for South Florida! Very municipal!

You are more than welcome to this Dia-Compe 22.2 stem. Since your mixing all sorts of bits together, why not!?!

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Thanks Bob, but the International will probably wind up being flipped anyway due to its size; I wouldn't take your generosity for it. Thing is, I don't mind making a flip bike an excuse for a nice-looking build when I have the opportunity to do so

Then again, I finished this one last week, so I have a slight duality of pride here...
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/bik...816099487.html

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Kurt, love the green tip in your CL ad! I believe you are loosing money in this flip--- simply because your time in creating the write-up was worth way--- way more than $40.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Kurt, love the green tip in your CL ad! I believe you are loosing money in this flip--- simply because your time in creating the write-up was worth way--- way more than $40.
At least the ad sounds like it was fun to write!
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I like the look, but how convenient are the DT shift levers with the upright handlebars?
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...But I digress. I took some beauty shots of the International, sans saddle nose today. I still believe that with the right crankset and derailer, this combination would look pretty phenomenal
Perhaps like this? This was the previous owner's build, with first gen Dura-Ace except or the headset. It was a fine ride, but I prefer drop bars, and chanced upon the appropriate Campagnolo and Mafac bits, so it was not fated to stay this way. The 630 rims he installed laced to Dura-Ace hubs so the sidepulls would reach also seemed to change the feel of the ride,
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Kurt, love the green tip in your CL ad! I believe you are loosing money in this flip--- simply because your time in creating the write-up was worth way--- way more than $40.
I couldn't let you down, Bob! The Roadmaster pictures were taken a few minutes before the International, so the can hasn't moved an inch between both photos.

Ironically enough, this bike is the Roadmaster Granite Peak that donated its chain to the Raleigh.

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At least the ad sounds like it was fun to write!
Writing the humorous ad was worth it. Building the bike was not - I had it kicking about in its mostly-complete factory form until I found those cruiser wheels in the trash. I even had to drill the lousy rivets out of the cheapo triple crankset to make it a proper single ring.

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I like the look, but how convenient are the DT shift levers with the upright handlebars?
They were barely an issue - for me. But keep in mind I usually ride 58cm and was running around like a clown when testing this thing. The length of my arms and upper body may give me an unrealistic perception of ease in comparison to someone who fits this thing.

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Perhaps like this? This was the previous owner's build, with first gen Dura-Ace except or the headset. It was a fine ride, but I prefer drop bars, and chanced upon the appropriate Campagnolo and Mafac bits, so it was not fated to stay this way. The 630 rims he installed laced to Dura-Ace hubs so the sidepulls would reach also seemed to change the feel of the ride,
Not really; I'd be seeking out a polished aluminum crankset, and I'd probably stick with a single ring with a circular chain protector. A TA Pro 5 Vis would suit the bill nicely. Maybe a Zeus 2000 RD just to be different.

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The length of my arms and upper body may give me an unrealistic perception of ease in comparison to someone who fits this thing.
Extremely good point; I keep forgetting not everyone has my long-legs, short-arms proportions.
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I like the look, but how convenient are the DT shift levers with the upright handlebars?
I had a torpado set up in a similar manner....... really not a problem for me..... but i tended to not shift a lot.....kinda of like a single speed at that point of time......with lots of other single speed gearing options. keeps it very clean.......otherwise I woulld go thumb shifters
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I pity the fool who sets the pace of a newbie group ride at 22 mph......
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My first road bike was a 75-76 Batavus with low end Simplex derailleur. And TMI I loved that bike. Even wrote Batavus saying how much I loved it. They wrote back saying they would send a Batavus robe- not kidding! It never came. I was devastated at the time. But next, the love of my life was a used green 72-ish Raleigh International. Frame was always too big for me but I had it into the early 90s? I wish I could find a cheap 54 (21-ish) bike again but funds are gone DAMNIT!!!
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I pity the fool who sets the pace of a newbie group ride at 22 mph......
Don't forget the 45 mph 3-lane urban arterial with no shoulders either. That's what happens when you let members of a cycling club - who mean well, but have long forgotten the needs of new riders (and the fact that not everyone is the fearless rider type) - lead a ride.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so dangerous; one of my team either came near or had (didn't get 100% confirmation) an asthma attack trying to keep up on one of the ex-OFO dockless bikes they provided (wasn't aware these were provided, or this International might not have been built).

Anyway, I ought to shut up about this, because I fully intend to put the bite on them for one of those OFOs I think my next kink in bike collecting will be retired dockless share bikes...

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My first road bike was a 75-76 Batavus with low end Simplex derailleur. And TMI I loved that bike. Even wrote Batavus saying how much I loved it. They wrote back saying they would send a Batavus robe- not kidding! It never came. I was devastated at the time. But next, the love of my life was a used green 72-ish Raleigh International. Frame was always too big for me but I had it into the early 90s? I wish I could find a cheap 54 (21-ish) bike again but funds are gone DAMNIT!!!
I'm kinda feeling that way with this International. Had a couple of members PM me and I've been sandbagging...almost want to trade for a 23" of the same!

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Round #2 for the International. Something made me want to keep it around a bit longer. Sure enough, another event cropped up with similar circumstances to bring her back into service today. I dare say I'm going to justify this thing as the designated "guest bike."

Since I was not content with the original build, I decided to address a few issues and annoyances beforehand:

First off, the wrecked W3N gave way to a Brooks B17 Champion Standard that I've had kicking around for a few millennia - in an attempt to find the "right bike" for it. This is an odd duck of a saddle; too narrow for a city-oriented 3-speed, but equipped with springs and all the heavy, comfy bits one expects for such a bike. But it seems right at home on an upright-bar converted Raleigh International.



That required an el-cheapo straight post (didn't have time to experiment with rail spacers) but I'm not complaining. Looks good.

I was told that the chain popped once during the bike's first outing. I tried the FD multiple times over with the RD in various spots and couldn't replicate the problem. I swear it must have happened from a sneaker heel kicking the chain.

I put one of these doo-dads on to put a stop to it. It doesn't look great - especially over the Carlton Race Proven transfer - but it should keep chain popping issues tidy.



The mis-matched shifters are also no longer a problem, but I did not have time to locate a proper right hand pressure washer, plate, or D-ring screw. I used the later generation parts off the Rossin instead. Anyone have the earlier bits available? Rusty is fine.




The other thing that had to go was that cheap Shimano RD. I went to the LBS and wound up with two RD's out of the parts bin - a Suntour Alpha 5000 (basically a Cyclone 7000 with a fully-polished and clear-anodized finish) and a Campagnolo Triomphe missing its upper pivot bolt. I bought the Triomphe just for fun - I happen to like the look of the Triomphe/Victory RD's, even though I know the Victory is superior. I was sure I didn't have an upper pivot bolt for it, but I was pretty sure I had the derailer jockey wheel bolt to fix up the Suntour.

Famous last words.

After an hour of searching, I came up dry, Suntour speaking. However, the search ended when I opened one obscure drawer of mine - looking for Suntour bits - only to find a really ugly Nuovo Gran Sport upper pivot bolt. Ugly or not, I happen to know it'll work on the Triomphe, and I now have less than 8 hours to get this thing done.

Baym.





Excuse the cable housing angle at the chainstay; it's just the way it wants to sit. I could shorten the cable run, but didn't have the time to perfect it.

Predictably, it now shifts worse than with the two-bit Shimano shifter, but I can tolerate the looks a lot more (if I don't look at the upper pivot bolt).

And that's about it. I haven't done anything about the crank or rear caliper for lack of any replacements at present, but they'll probably get swapped out once some parts drop into my lap. Eventually.

A few more photos:




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This machine is classy in it's simplicity. I think it is beautiful.
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Old 03-16-19, 12:28 PM
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It's an awfully nice guest bike. I might like to visit you in a year, and I would try the bike. I'm not going to make it to FL this year.

I'm thinking I want a tall guest bike, like around 25" frame. There's a UO-8 at the coop I'm eyeing.
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