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Old 02-08-19, 12:37 PM
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Very Early Colin Laing MTB Frame?

I just bought this on eBay. It's a really unique frame, and the brazed monostay is a signature feature of Colin's work. However, I searched the forums and found another thread in which one of Colin's sons asserts that the first MTB Colin built was in 1992. This is clearly earlier than a 92. So what's the deal? (input from Stuart or Ian Laing would be hugely helpful here, of course)

Also, I'm trying to figure out what kind of fork this likely came with. I imagine something lugged with a lot of rake... but not even certain of that.

Here's the other thread:
Colin Laing Mountain Bike Frame

Here are some pics from eBay (it was shipped this morning):





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Maybe this is a dumb question, but are you sure it's a mountain bike frame?
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but are you sure it's a mountain bike frame?
U-brake on the chainstays.

Horizontal top tube and pump peg on the seat tube definitely indicate 80s, probably mid- or late-80s.

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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
U brake on the chainstays.
Ahh, I didn't see that. Carry on.
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U-brake on the chainstays.

Horizontal top tube and pump peg on the seat tube definitely indicate 80s, probably mid-80s.
it also takes a 26" wheel. seller told me he bought it at a garage sale with full Suntour XC on it
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Originally Posted by allig9r View Post
it also takes a 26" wheel. seller told me he bought it at a garage sale with full Suntour XC on it
29ers didn't start to become popular until the late 90s, so 26" is expected. Anyway to ask the seller what happened to the fork?

I would guess a non-suspension-corrected fork with about around a 400mm axle-to-crown measurement would work with the geometry of this bike if it is indeed a mid-to-late-80s MTB. Although being a custom bike you never know how the original bike was built unless you have the fork in hand or can talk to the original owner or Colin Laing.
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29ers didn't start to become popular until the late 90s, so 26" is expected. Anyway to ask the seller what happened to the fork?

I would guess a non-suspension-corrected fork with about around a 400mm axle-to-crown measurement would work with the geometry of this bike if it is indeed a mid-to-late-80s MTB. Although being a custom bike you never know how the original bike was built unless you have the fork in hand or can talk to the original owner or Colin Laing.
29ers weren't *popular* until the early 2000's. There were a few that existed in the 90's, but they were rare until at least 2005ish. Anyway I was responding to the poster who asked if I was certain it was an MTB. I am pretty well-versed in vintage MTBs in general but am looking for someone who might have familiarity with Colin's work specifically. Seller knew nothing about the original fork. I'm sure it will take a non-suspension corrected fork since suspension didn't exist yet. More interested in specifics like the construction of the fork, amount of rake etc. Also would like to verify that it is indeed a Colin frame, since his son said that the first Colin MTB was built in 1992
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If you were a really cool cat back in the early ‘90s you had a 700c MTB.
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@allig9r , here's more.

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@allig9r , here's more.

Colin Laing Frame?
thanks. I saw this when I did my initial research. unfortunately I donít think itís relevant to this bike. at this point Iím basically certain that Colin built this frame. I think thereís a good chance it is the first MTB he ever built
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thanks. I saw this when I did my initial research. unfortunately I donít think itís relevant to this bike. at this point Iím basically certain that Colin built this frame. I think thereís a good chance it is the first MTB he ever built
Yeah, well I hope your right, that frame is very cool and whatever the history is, also a great builder, history and story as with many when you dig in.

You never know whats relevant, facts, figures, stories, memory's can all be fluid and often unreliable this far down the road.

I would encourage you to consider all info and follow whatever you find, you never know when somebody will chime in after the fact, add or offer a thought or tidbit that helps you even when the thread or story doesn't seem to apply.

Trust me when I tell you that revelation has come up many times after I had beaten the seemingly current info to death and dismissed it.

Another thing to do as I did is quote whoever offered up the best info to maybe jumpstart new discussion, some of the players usually uncover new info, but don't keep the thread going but might do so if they get a ping.
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The nicest wishbone stays, ever.

U-brakes are an indication of a bikes era but not conclusive. Maybe he just got whimsical and had some lovely xt U-brakes he wanted to use.

Most late 80's production bikes with U-brakes had unicrowns IIRC. That certainly doesn't apply here.
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Are they U brake or Rollercam studs?
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Yes, I it was made by Colin Laing in the late 80's to early mid 90's. I can tell by the wishbone, as many manufactures tried to copy, but never found out how Dad did it such as Raleigh. Back then, yes U brakes were popular, and all bikes were 26" wheels.
You should post all the photo's, as the customers name might be on the top tube, as that was almost standard.
As for the stickers, he used that name for a while, then moved to Colian with my brother then back to Colin Laing.
The frame looks good for the age.
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Yes, I it was made by Colin Laing in the late 80's to early mid 90's. I can tell by the wishbone, as many manufactures tried to copy, but never found out how Dad did it such as Raleigh. Back then, yes U brakes were popular, and all bikes were 26" wheels.
You should post all the photo's, as the customers name might be on the top tube, as that was almost standard.
As for the stickers, he used that name for a while, then moved to Colian with my brother then back to Colin Laing.
The frame looks good for the age.
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Thanks Stuart for responding!!
I was just confused because in the other thread, you write that the first MTB your dad made was in 92. I would be very surprised if the frame I have was made later than 1990, given the chainstay-mounted brake and the tubing used. I'll post a photo later but the name on the top tube looks to be "Denny Ingle". Ring any bells?
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This frame was probably from 1986-87, since Specialized frames were starting in 87. Dad made his last frame in 1992 before he moved to UK again.

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