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Old 02-26-19, 12:16 PM
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My ardent boringness forces me to weigh in on this subject once again.
I have good news the Weinmann levers have been reduced to second place in the lever competition!!! The new lightweight champion production lever of the world is,,, Modolo Flash plastic body, bottom of the line levers at 180 grams on the nose with Rustiness (made in France) Campy style brake hoods, these are a pretty good fit on the Modolo's. Sometime in the near future I will look into swapping the Modolo Pro drilled levers onto these bodies to shave a few more grams.

Bare weight: 151 grams



With hoods: 180 Grams



The plan for tomorrow is to shorten these titanium bolts by 15 mm to match the length of the factory hardware, expected weight loss from "as built" 8 Grams, the expected total weight with ti hardware:172 grams.



Honest I try to make plans, but I have the attention span of a Chihuahua with A.D.D. so the plan is still to use the early Mafac LS brakes with the Modolo levers and that left me without adjusters on either end of the cables, but I have a solution!!! I bought a pair of SRAM (I know, P/N 00.7918.028.001) 5 MM inline adjusters that have a total adjustment of 3.5 mm, not much but better than nothing. This things are extremely stiff out of the box, I had to disassemble and apply grease to get'em to work correctly, their OK now.

Total Weight: 6 grams.



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Modolo made a plastic body/plastic lever brake lever, too, with the added benefit of another leverage point high up on the body, where the cable inserted about 2/3 of the way up the lever. Excellent moderation, fairly poor hand position, but very light.

Inspection of the body indicates able to be mounted in both aero and non-aero, but the hoods need a hole punched in them. Also offered by Sachs. Bodies offered in light grey and black, levers in black only, and hoods in white or black. Hoods do not get sticky, clean easily, and are not comfortable, but very durable.

Modolo also made those style brakes,but with anodized aluminum blades. They were sold with matching Modolo calipers as Mavic 440 model brakesets. Have them in my 440 brakeset in my Mavic stash, but have not used them yet, but they feel nice and have return springs
Not sure about any levers with plastic blades...... I suspect t they will feel mushy, but worse yet, when they break, you go from mushy feeling braking to zero braking, in instant....... Modolo also made other brake levers with plastic blades and bodies, like the Orions, which think came standard with their Kronos brakeset. Those levers are specially notorious for breaking, so don't bother even looking at them.
I have to admit though that I am guilty of owning levers with plastic blades. From Universal, sold in the 80's as upgrades for their 77 and AER model brakeset, till I think they eventually provided them as standard on the AER brakeset. They stay in my stash, NOS, unused because I do not really see the logic in them....and they are kinda fugly anyway......

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The Modolos pictured have as strong a lever blade as any I have. Still, I'd love to swap these out for some with anodized aluminum, as the bike has some bling. The photo angle makes the hand/lever position look a lot worse than it is, but they definitely do not "tuck in."

I had Universal AER brakes on a couple of bikes, nice beefy calipers with the cam-style pad adjuster. I didn't notice the lever weight (wasn't paying attention), but they did work well for small hands.
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A quick update on the Modolo's with the trimmed titanium bolts. Total weight: 172 grams.



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Brake hoods, why even bother? The most ardent weight weenie go sans."

And you sir have a very good point, run with out hoods... This light weight lever set, the Mafac Promotion levers with delrin bodies and adjusters. These levers never had hoods from the factory and are a era correct match to the early Mafac LS calipers.
This set showed up in the mail today and to tell the truth I wasn't expecting them to be very light. I was wrong. Total weight: 148 grams.



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OK, so close inspection indicates the Superbe 4700 calipers have a reach that is too long. Bummer.
Even closer inspection finds my L DA 7200 brake lever is bent. Not much, but I now know. Bummer.
Noticed the saddle had a couple of cuts. Selle Italia Turbo Matic with Ti rails. Bummer.
Looked at my new Superbe 4000 calipers. I think they'll fit, but they're recessed mount. Bummer.
Looked at my new Superbe brake levers. Nice. Hoods are shot. Bummer.

Swapped 4700 nutted center bolts into the 4000's, and now they fit great.
Used the opportunity to disassemble completely both sets of calipers.
Anybody need a recessed mount set of 4700's in fantastic shape? Ha Ha





Rustines hoods fit the Superbe levers fine, just happened to have a set of gum.
Swapped both levers in lieu of the DA 7200, and they look just fine.
Anybody need a 1st Gen DA brake set? Ha Ha



Swapped in a NOS Selle Italia TurboMatic Titanium, animal print leather. Looks great.
Anybody want to buy an above average Selle Italia Turbo Matic in black, Ti rails? Ha Ha

Took the opportunity to tweak the bars (rolled them forward-better look).
Touched up the logo backgrounds (black, silver lettering stands out a bit).




Teledyne Titan Tinkering Toy; solving Bummers.
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The first set of Mafac LS 2 calipers were too short...

The second set of Mafac LS calipers actually fit with adjustment left...

The first set of LS 2 calipers will be cannibalized for its perfect chrome bits and springs...

The second set of LS calipers will be installed on the Titan...

I need to build a PX-10 FrankenBike with all the leftover bits from this project...



While I'm changing my mind on configuration (the French Satri seat post buries its flutes in the seat tube when it's set at ride height and I don't like the look), this is the new 3ttt Record seatpost to match the 3ttt Record stem.



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Modolo also made those style brakes,but with anodized aluminum blades. They were sold with matching Modolo calipers as Mavic 440 model brakesets. Have them in my 440 brakeset in my Mavic stash, but have not used them yet, but they feel nice and have return springs
Not sure about any levers with plastic blades...... I suspect t they will feel mushy, but worse yet, when they break, you go from mushy feeling braking to zero braking, in instant....... Modolo also made other brake levers with plastic blades and bodies, like the Orions, which think came standard with their Kronos brakeset. Those levers are specially notorious for breaking, so don't bother even looking at them.
I have to admit though that I am guilty of owning levers with plastic blades. From Universal, sold in the 80's as upgrades for their 77 and AER model brakeset, till I think they eventually provided them as standard on the AER brakeset. They stay in my stash, NOS, unused because I do not really see the logic in them....and they are kinda fugly anyway......
I have a pair of those Modolo Kronos brake levers, and a fresh in the factory sealed bag of replacement hoods.
Don't recall where I got the hoods, the levers came on a bike... always funny how this stuff piles up.
I was going through stuff and have finally hit the position where I don't recall when/where some of this came from... time to admit to having too much.
Maybe time to open that vintage bike shop...
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200 grams of pure Sannino, anyone?! Lol

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F303063427975
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200 grams of pure Sannino, anyone?! Lol

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F303063427975
I think those were actually made by Vittoria, rebranded for Sannino. It does the weenie dance by being mostly plastic (even the toe clip bolts are plastic),except for the spindle and bearings.
I think a pair of Assos pedals would be nicer. Maybe not as light, but still definitely weenie.
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A set of plastic bodied CLB levers with random junk hoods. 191 grams


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I recently installed this type lever and matched cal's onto a Peugeot. Closely looking them over, I noticed they're capable for aero cable setup.

I realize you're trying to keep the build within a few years of the frame but that aside, you possibly could save grams by shorter cable when setup for aero routing.
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I recently installed this type lever and matched cal's onto a Peugeot. Closely looking them over, I noticed they're capable for aero cable setup.

I realize you're trying to keep the build within a few years of the frame but that aside, you possibly could save grams by shorter cable when setup for aero routing.
Scott, did you weigh your composite Modolo levers? I don't have a scale....
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Scott, did you weigh your composite Modolo levers? I don't have a scale....
Not yet but will do and post pic.

I have this weird thought building a lightweight early carbon frame and using black plastic parts. Admit some are becoming more interesting like those Modolo brake and shift levers. I've tossed and given away numerous Simplex Delrin's derailleurs but now kind of want! Lol
Perhaps call the bike 'Nightmare'.
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Has anyone here picked up a set of the Aerolite pedals? Supposed to be the lightest around, and they look just about as practical as the Cinelli M71's.

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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
I think those were actually made by Vittoria, rebranded for Sannino. It does the weenie dance by being mostly plastic (even the toe clip bolts are plastic),except for the spindle and bearings.
I think a pair of Assos pedals would be nicer. Maybe not as light, but still definitely weenie.
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Even lighter were the scary Vittoria Superlight track pedals with titanium axle, saving another 50 grams / pair. Even if one found a set, I'll bet the price would be equally scary.
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Steve, were those designed with a nylon clip or partial tubing (fuzzy recollection) attached to the shoe sole? The only part as pedal assembly was an axle attached to the crank or somehow that attached to the clip. Weird concepts.
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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Not yet but will do and post pic.

I have this weird thought building a lightweight early carbon frame and using black plastic parts. Admit some are becoming more interesting like those Modolo brake and shift levers. I've tossed and given away numerous Simplex Delrin's derailleurs but now kind of want! Lol
Perhaps call the bike 'Nightmare'.
Simplex made the SJ4000, which had Delrin main pivots, and aluminum parallelogram arms, pivot bolts, jockey cage and jockey wheel bolts. It was pretty light so Peugeot actually saw it worthy to use on their factory team PY10FC's but they did a bit of drillium on the inner parallelogram arm, the jockey wheel cage plates and line bored the cable anchor bolt and the jockey wheel bolts.
I currently have one on my 84 Gitane TdF and I remember the RD was very light, even without drillium, and so far, had not shown any signs of asploding. They sometimes come up at eBay and sold at all sorts of prices, mostly expensive, but once in a while, some show up at pretty reasonable prices, I suspect, because they are mistaken to be the lower model LJ1000's, which looks identical at first glance, but all the aluminum parts on the 4000 replaced by steel.
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The geek level here is way over my head.

In a good way.

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Steve, were those designed with a nylon clip or partial tubing (fuzzy recollection) attached to the shoe sole? The only part as pedal assembly was an axle attached to the crank or somehow that attached to the clip. Weird concepts.
those are the ones that I recall reading about, back in the 70's. Poking around the web, I'm led to believe that they have been in production more recently, and with a cleat that mates with the Look pattern. Still pretty funky, though.
Here's a review of the modern version..... https://gearjunkie.com/worlds-lightest-bike-pedals

poking around flickr, I see that I've got a shot of a Colnago at the 2016 CR event that appears to be sporting a set of vintage Aerolites...



Interesting that the cleats are attached to the pedals, but the owner wasn't interested in nailing those cleats to a pair of shoes.

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I haven't been here in a few days, but I have been busy... Mafac LS ready to assemble.



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I haven't been here in a few days, but I have been busy... Mafac LS ready to assemble.



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did you polish the aluminum? They look pretty good!
I'll admit to liking the look of polished aluminum... shiny is almost always a virtue!
(with the disclaimer that I may have been influenced by my time in the Marines... lots of time spent polishing brass and leather)

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those are the ones that I recall reading about, back in the 70's. Poking around the web, I'm led to believe that they have been in production more recently, and with a cleat that mates with the Look pattern. Still pretty funky, though.
Here's a review of the modern version..... https://gearjunkie.com/worlds-lightest-bike-pedals

poking around flickr, I see that I've got a shot of a Colnago at the 2016 CR event that appears to be sporting a set of vintage Aerolites...



Interesting that the cleats are attached to the pedals, but the owner wasn't interested in nailing those cleats to a pair of shoes.

Steve in Peoria
Lyotard made a similar pedal with a slightly different retaining mechanism for the cleat. It was called the PL2000.


Good thing about the Lyotards was you did not have to permanently attach the cleats to your shoes, as I think it uses two of three Look pattern mounting threaded inserts, found on most cycling shoes today. Not sure how light the PL2000s are, but most likely, pretty light, as most French stuff were....
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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
I recently installed this type lever and matched cal's onto a Peugeot. Closely looking them over, I noticed they're capable for aero cable setup.

I realize you're trying to keep the build within a few years of the frame but that aside, you possibly could save grams by shorter cable when setup for aero routing.
you could go 70ís aero, the cable end at the designed cable housing stop, cable housing starting at the lever blade, cable housing exits downward then routes back or to the caliper in front. Such a SoCal junior thing to do.
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