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Carlton Franco-Suisse-My new to me beautiful rip-off!

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Old 02-10-19, 10:40 PM
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Carlton Franco-Suisse-My new to me beautiful rip-off!

Really snowy day here in Minneapolis, so what better way to pass the time then at a bike swap. I went out to the National Sports Center in Blaine this morning and was quite surprised to find that one of the vendors had a rather nice Carlton (frame only). Quite a few people had been looking at this frame and it is just my size. Of course I bought it.



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Old 02-10-19, 10:45 PM
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Annnddd... ? Nice frame, btw.
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Old 02-10-19, 10:48 PM
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Iím getting to it. Having difficulties. My pics wonít load.

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Old 02-10-19, 10:57 PM
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What now?
I found a sticker on the chainstay that I thought would probably be difficult to peel so I would use a heat gun to soften the glue later. I should have known better!
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Is that a hole filled with silicone or something?

If the answer is yes; did you puke when you found it?
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Old 02-11-19, 06:57 AM
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Lovely frameset. Now what?
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Amazing! They would have gotten me on that also.
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That's a shame! I was salivating at the first pictures.

The community is pretty tight. I would think you might be able to track the seller down, or somehow publicly shame him/her into making this right.
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What's the sticker say, and how old is it? Why/how did this happen?
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It's possible that Alex at Prairie Crow Bikeworks can look at it, in the event you want to try to salvage it and you want to deal with someone local. He's helped me with some frame repair in the past. He had a studio near Brackett Park when I last talked to him. I can give you his contact info if you'd like.

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Is that a hole filled with silicone or something?

If the answer is yes; did you puke when you found it?
Not sure what it is. It feels more wax like than silicone.
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What's the sticker say, and how old is it? Why/how did this happen?
The sticker says Huret derailleurs.
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It's possible that Alex at Prairie Crow Bikeworks can look at it, in the event you want to try to salvage it and you want to deal with someone local. He's helped me with some frame repair in the past. He had a studio near Brackett Park when I last talked to him. I can give you his contact info if you'd like.
Thanks for this suggestion, Iíll start here. I really would like to move forward in the most positive way possible. I know already that if itís somehow salvageable Iíd like to keep it.

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Serial# G7411 on the outside of the non drive side dropout.
From my limited research it seems to be from about 1959. Can anyone confirm this? Iíd still like to learn more about the bike as I move on with itís possible salvation.
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That frame is too nice to just let it go. The obvious repair would be to braze a plate over the hole. I think that would work but you need a framebuilder's opinion. Touchup paint not too difficult and you get a story. Or replace the entire tube. That could get expensive and would never really match. Don't go there until three framebuilders have said no to simpler repairs. Also a builder should very very thoroughly inspect to see if there is further craziness.

At height of drillium craze time trial frames were being built with slots cut out of chainstay. Those frames were not long-lived but they did work. A simple patch will work a lot better than a hole.
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Old 02-11-19, 11:15 AM
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Thanks 63rickert, Iíll check with some builders. I agree with you that itís too nice to let go of and Iíd really rather not just hang it on the wall.
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Not sure what it is. It feels more wax like than silicone.
Gaaaak!

I figure you can do one of two things:

Hang it on the wall or the rafters and suspect everyone is a louse from here on out.

OR

Have it repaired professionally, put way more money into it than you ever dreamed, become a legend on Bike Forums for doing so and saving something with a history and the joy you'll get from riding it when it's all finished.

Either way, I'd get an aluminum bat and............never mind.

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That's a shame! I was salivating at the first pictures.

The community is pretty tight. I would think you might be able to track the seller down, or somehow publicly shame him/her into making this right.

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Look at it from the bright side: it's more interesting than a dent in the top tube.
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Old 02-11-19, 11:39 AM
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Look at it from the bright side: it's more interesting than a dent in the top tube.
And a repair might somewhat obscure behind a chain wheel.
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And a repair might somewhat obscure behind a chain wheel.
I thought it might be that: a way to make room for an extra chainring that doesn't involve a new spindle.
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Looks like hot glue or epoxy to me. Hot glue would be thermoplastic; epoxy would not. Either way it should be possible to melt most of it out with a micro-torch.
I sent you contact info for Alex, in the event you want to try that route.
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Thanks Hudson308! Iíll give Alex a call and report back here soon.
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