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Old 02-17-19, 07:29 AM
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C&V Water Bottles on Ebay

I spent a lot of time today trying to find a c&v bottle for a new black Miyata frame. It's hard wading through all the chinese crap. Here's what I came up with in my search that might help others. These are all $6.00 - $10.00.


black/red monton

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black domars

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2018 tritan bottle rr

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yellow/black monton

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new elite l'eroica vintage bottle


zefal sense r60 bottle


california bike gear classic bottle

Too bad I don't have a Bianchi. There are some nice celeste ones.

Any others out there, maybe outside ebay, you might recommend?

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Old 02-17-19, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I spent a lot of time today trying to find a c&v bottle for a new black Miyata frame. It's hard wading through all the chinese crap. Here's what I came up with in my search that might help others. These are all $6.00 - $10.00

Too bad I don't have a Bianchi. There are some nice celeste ones.

Any others out there, maybe outside ebay, you might recommend?
I try using the Item Location Filter to show US or North America only sometimes to weed out the pages of 2¢ items from China/Hong Kong. I might have to check out those Celeste bottles - thanks!
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Thanks for the post.

I do have the obligatory celeste Reparto Corse water bottle for my non-celeste, notch below Reparto Corse Bianchi, as well as a pair of CapoForma bottles which say CAPO, for the unrelated Austrian CapO bicycles.

For the really old bikes, aluminum bottles with corks would be cool, however ... .
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I spent a lot of time today trying to find a c&v bottle for a new black Miyata frame. It's hard wading through all the chinese crap. Here's what I came up with in my search that might help others. These are all $6.00 - $10.00.


Any others out there, maybe outside ebay, you might recommend?

The SOMA crystal bottle look reasonably retro, and as advertised have no plastic taste. The caps/valves kind of suck; I'd give them a C-, but I don't like bite valves to begin with. Price is right at $5.

https://store.somafab.com/crppwabo.html


None of the bottles you found look like 80s bottles. Specialized bottles pretty much became completely dominant when they were introduced, IIRC around 1980 or so. I preferred the Italian bottles, which were still available. The L'Eroica bottle is a pretty good facsimile. In the 70s, TA bottles were dominant, plus some imitators. Italian bottles were around -- mostly REG or ALE, but I'm forgetting one or two others. The TA bottles had bite valve caps with these little black plastic plugs that you pulled out with your teeth. Certainly would not be considered child safe today...


WRT to today's offerings, the big caps ruin the retro look to me. Those didn't come into play until about 20 years ago, IIRC. I find big caps useless and annoying, but clearly everyone else prefers them.
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Get the Chinese Taipei one so you can get into PRC/ROC arguments with random people. I'm not too picky about trying to have vintage looking bottles, and really dislike fake retro kleenkanteen stuff. I like purist bottles except for the issue that the nozzle isn't easy to remove for cleaning, but that can be said of most bottles. I'm sure someone is selling them with their logo in black. I really can't stand bottles that are hard to squeeze and taste like plastic. I did buy that last plain clear one you posted though, it looks reasonably plain but makes water taste like plastic, although not as bad as others.

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Good luck trying to find that perfect bottle for your C&V bike. I think the reality is, the old stuff is getting close to being used up or just falling apart from age even when NOS. Worse yet, most are being sold for exorbitant prices because of their rarity. If you do find the 80's or older bottles for your bike, do not use them as they were made from plastic that contaminates your drinks with the nastiest taste and smell, so they are really just for display.
I have NOS bottles to match most of my bikes, but I never use them to drink from, just props for display on the bikes when I take pics of them. Anyway, there's a good chance that these old bottles will just crack apart if you ever squeeze them to drink from them. For actual use/drinking, I bought a few modern bottles. The ones from Zefal work very nicely, comes in enough designs and colors to match up to bikes, safe to drink from and best yet, can be bought for very cheap. I think I paid like 6 bucks for the last one I got for my Gitane, in yellow......
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If you want a mid 80's Miyata bottle pm me.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
None of the bottles you found look like 80s bottles.
That might be true. I'm certainly no expert on vintage bottles. But these all function pretty much like an old bottle. Maybe the thread title should be changed to "Bottles on Ebay that Don't Look like Complete Monstrosities on C&V Bikes." Compared to most bottles I see, even on my friend's c&v bikes, these would all be a huge improvement. The black/yellow one sorta represents '80s colors to me, and might look good on my miyata. Those that are 600mm have more of a c&v vibe.
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I just buy these for $3 each whenever I order Sapim spokes from Thor. Seem nice enough for me and no plastic taste. The bottom says Shivia Tacx made in Holland.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
That might be true. I'm certainly no expert on vintage bottles. But these all function pretty much like an old bottle. Maybe the thread title should be changed to "Bottles on Ebay that Don't Look like Complete Monstrosities on C&V Bikes."
yeah maybe it should be titled that. It's an issue we all face.

As I said, the SOMA bottles look good, but I'm not a huge fan of the valves. There was a similar looking clear bottle in the late 70s to early 80s, but I can't remember who made them. These days I mostly use Camelback bottles because they work really well. Most are pretty hideous looking. There's one minimal non insulated one that isn't too bad. I've noticed that they make some tasteful looking ones for the Euro market only. (Thanks a lot) Anyhow, yeah, you guessed right. Yellow bottles were really typical in the 80s (assuming your Miyata is 80s). Specialized had like 95% of the market. The original bottle most likely would have been yellow or white, with your LBS's logo printed on it, because they tossed it in free when you bought the bike.
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I got the black one. How's it look? I think it's ... meh. I'll keep looking ...

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Find some California Springs Classic bottles in the 22 or 28 oz sizes. They retain well in cages, the classic necked design makes them easy to pull from the cage with a 2 finger grip, I don't notice a plasticy taste and the nozzle works well with the squeezable bottle. Avoid black as that heats very quickly on sunny days even if the bottle is chilled or pre-frozen before riding.
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Good on ya for going on the way but I am hooked on Camelbak bottles. If you want to go deep dive and make your own really old school bidons, you can get a couple of those piss beer aluminum bottles and sand off the logos. Then stick a cork in it.
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Anything with a screw top is not vintage, or at least not that old.

70's and 80's, all bottles had pop tops. And, a second cover for over the opening (with strips of plastic to keep it all together).

Similar to these.



https://www.steel-vintage.com/bianch...-bottle-detail

For me, functionality trumps looks.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Anything with a screw top is not vintage, or at least not that old.

70's and 80's, all bottles had pop tops. And, a second cover for over the opening (with strips of plastic to keep it all together).

Similar to these.



https://www.steel-vintage.com/bianch...-bottle-detail

For me, functionality trumps looks.

Those are nice Mariplast copies. I hope they do another run.
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When I searched for an old bottle or two for Eroica bikes, I just looked for Spécialités TA bottles and bottle cages. There are plenty out there.
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How about this cage for the vintage bidon ? FleBay 13.99 . Made by Zefal .


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Originally Posted by bertinjim View Post
Find some California Springs Classic bottles.
Good tip. Here's a cool black one: ebay listing.

And here's two new ones in white: ebay listing.
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Great recommendation! Was looking for two vintage looking cages and thx to your message, two are on the way to my house!
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Great recommendation! Was looking for two vintage looking cages and thx to your message, two are on the way to my house!
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Those are nice Mariplast copies. I hope they do another run.
Yeah, me too. Does Mariplast still exist? Those were my favorite. They came in cool colors including metallics. The indentations had a nice grip, and the taste was not too plasticky compared to other bottles of the time.

While the Italian style pop top bottles continued to be available throughout the 80s, Specialized bottles became by far the most common during that decade. They were basically the same pop top narrow neck design, but had a modern style spigot you could open with your teeth, which was marketed as a great improvement. In practice they were hard to open with your teeth, and tasted like plastic.


As I said before the SOMA bottles look pretty vintage appropriate, but the caps are still too big to be authentic. AFAIK, the only true retro style bottles available today are the cheap promotional 'Specialized' style bottles from California Springs, and the consciously retro bottles made by Elite in Italy:
https://www.elite-it.com/en/products...intage-squeeze
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Originally Posted by markwesti View Post
How about this cage for the vintage bidon ? FleBay 13.99 . Made by Zefal .

Hard to judge any bottle cage from the photos.

However, I purchased a vintage frame off of Craigslist. The seller had a "vintage" water bottle that was clearly a repro bottle. And a cage like that one.

I decided to leave the cage on the frame as I built it up. About a 500 mile shake-down multi-day ride, and it reminded me how really bad those vintage cages were. And the copies were even worse.

On my last leg of the ride, the thing just fell apart on me, and I ended up carrying the cage and my bottle in my backpack.

The cage I got had simple spot-welded mild steel, I think. Everything bent like crazy, and the welds failed.

The new aluminum cages, and tubular stainless cages are much better.
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These can still be found for around €10 a piece. I bought mine as part of my L'Eroica registrations in 2015 and 2017. The REG cages (replicas?) came from the Gaiole parts market in 2015 and were €40.



You do need an older bike to use them, though:

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This ebay seller has some vintage style bidons: https://www.ebay.com/str/eroicapassi...cat=8403826015

(...amongst some other retro stuff.)
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I have an 86 ALAN Carbonio that could use a matching bottle....
Did ALAN ever issue their own bottles? Never could find one after years of searching already......
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