Originally Posted by WGB

I have pedals with Christopher pedal straps. Who was Christopher? I just googled "Who makes Christopher pedal straps?". No luck (I think they are marketed by Zefal but not sure who started that company).

Originally Posted by TenGrainBread

I don't think it was disrespect; I think he literally does not know who Binda is. Not everyone is well-versed in these matters.

Originally Posted by WGB

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I get you like and maybe admire Alfredo Binda. I think if you re-read the post you will no insult by me towards this man.

9:56pm last night I posted

Pedals are Campagnolo and straps are Alfredo Binda (whoever that is!!)

The next morning at 8:32am you posted

Was it necessary to mock Alfredo Binda?

Shortly after your post above, at 8:56am I posted

Sorry for the lack of detail I used a cell phone and was exhausted, had been a long day.

Perhaps you might have took that to suggest I wasn't focusing on researching a man (I had never heard of), or I was setting out to insult or mock him. I can tell you your post didn't even pop up at that time. That sometimes happens here where some posts don't pop up right away and I don't know why that is. Had I read your post I would have replied and said, sorry, never heard of him and wasn't researching at 10 pm last night was too tired. you could then have offered what you offered below. I didn't see a man I saw a company.

At 8:57am Bianchigirll posted a still from a Godfather movie of actor John Cazale playing Fredo Corleone, along with your quote. I didn't even notice it was a quote from you and read it as part of her post. My fault for not making that distinction and I replied at 9:06am

And Bianchigirll if you see Don Fredo, tell him I meant no disrespect......

I replied like that because I was replying more to the photo and the implication I was mocking the Godfather's son (or brother depending on the specific movie).

You then posted at 2:57pm

Five Giro d'Italia. Three World Championships. Won the heart of Italy in spite of all efforts of Fascists to destroy him. One man pedaling a bike made Mussolini back down.

I was not fortunate enough to know Alfredo Binda but friends and riding companions did. You cannot begin to imagine how that man was loved.

Every photograph of Binda makes him look simply amazing.

Classic & Vintage. Pathetic.

The majority of your post is detailed and had you left out the last three words I would have emailed you back and said "Wow, and he must have been a hell of a guy". Had you replied you thought anything negative about my comment I would have said sorry and no intent to offend and thanks for the info because everyone can use new info, especially me. When I joined BF I was posting what had to be some seriously mundane questions and I still do. As to the last three words, did you mean this is the C&V forum and he should know who this man Binda is and what he did ! Was it a comment about the lack of knoweldge in the C&V world in general?. I like bikes to ride and fix up and I like the people I meet who are into bikes and biking and there are a lot of them on here. However I am focused on road bikes and not mountain bikes or muscle bikes. Last year at the Canadian Vintage Bike Show I talked with a man who figured he had spent more than $30,000 on BMX bikes. I asked if he was joking and he laughed and said that if I only knew how much money changed hands on those bikes I probably fall down. He was right, I didn't know then and I still don't now. The top of Classic and Vintage forum (on my screen) shows: "Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more." I admit I don't know 1/10th of the companies out there that make and made road bikes, let alone who made bone shakers.


At 3;53pm Chombi1 posted
I don't think there was any mocking intended by the OP..........and this forum is certainly NOT "pathetic"...

At 4:09pm you replied "Out".

Was that addressed to me? Or to him?

Tengrainbread and Unterhausen didn't seem to have an issue with my comment and didn't read anything into it.

I don't think it was disrespect; I think he literally does not know who Binda is. Not everyone is well-versed in these matters.

I have only heard of the toe clip straps.

For what it's worth it was 10pm on Friday and I had had a very long day. I was posting pictures and offering what I had in the hope that someone on here could educate me on what I had found. Clearly I was in a rush because if I had stopped to think I would have remembered that components may help dating a frame but don't in themselves identify it. On a separate thread I posted a second bike and in that thread I have said that the PO was a packrat with some really nice stuff stored alongside complete junk and that "I had only a bit of time to process everything I saw". There were gold pedals straps in boxes in that basement. Didn't recognize the company and could have got them for cheap but I was fast running broke.

The key word here is educate. I was looking for info.

Perhaps I could have stopped to look up the more rare and obscure company names I saw in that man's basement. I didn't because I need to get some sleep. I didn't look that man's name up (Binda) and if you were hurt I am sorry for the offence that you felt I was giving. I live around the corner from the home where Steve Bauer grew up. Steve raced in the Tour de France and later had a bike manufacturing business. I have seen comments made by people that they wouldn't buy a Bauer bike because that was a skate manufacturer. Wrong company, they were confusing his business with Bauer.com. Not my place to complain so I don't. I think I have offered information one time and then a comment was made about a South African Armstrong bike I had listed for sale on CL and someone thought it was a bike that was given away by (IIRC) a parts store and I said that no, I thought it was a Raleigh Record made in SA by Raleigh through a proxy to circumvent the sanctions against trading with SA. A few years back I knew that Campagnolo was a company. I didn't know there was a man named Campagnolo who had raced bikes because it wasn't something I had thought of. I have pedals with Christopher pedal straps. Who was Christopher? I just googled "Who makes Christopher pedal straps?". No luck (I think they are marketed by Zefal but not sure who started that company).

Originally Posted by WGB

Just noticed, there's a shifter band stop brazed on to the downtube, despite the frame having brazed on shifter bosses. Thus points to the possibility that the frame is older and was maybe updated with braze-ons....

I was bothered by that as well. Even if the shifter bosses were brazed on, the band stop would have/should have been centered. I wondered if it was a factory error or if a frame builder created this frame and used a tube with a stop on and didn't notice the stop until it was too late.

Originally Posted by WGB

Ps what do you call the brazing on the inside of the forks?

Is it there to strengthen the forks? On the left one the piece with the three holes, it looks to be part of the crown whereas on the fork on the right the piece with two holes looks like an add on that is brazed to the forks.