I'm afraid of enjoying my bike.
03-15-19, 04:07 PM
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To the OP - If we haven't scared you off already, consider posting your location in the "User CP (Control Panel). You can be a bit vague if you'd like, for example, Portlandia (general Portland OR area). There's an excellent chance other members will be nearby to share a beer, ride, or wrench. I'd probably remark to you that you might try tilting your saddle up more and shortening the loop to your rear brake if I saw you in person, but maybe that works ok for you. 
Seriously, though, the amount of help you can get from this group will grow exponentially if/when you develop a personal relationship with some of us - the kind that you can only get in person. Bikes don't fix themselves over the internet. Speciality tools that are only needed once in a blue moon can be borrowed from many BF members, including me.
But we've gotta know if you're a plane flight or a bike ride away!
Seriously, though, the amount of help you can get from this group will grow exponentially if/when you develop a personal relationship with some of us - the kind that you can only get in person. Bikes don't fix themselves over the internet. Speciality tools that are only needed once in a blue moon can be borrowed from many BF members, including me.
But we've gotta know if you're a plane flight or a bike ride away!
Will do!
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03-15-19, 04:44 PM
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03-18-19, 11:13 AM
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I feel you either get something AS an investment or FOR using.
If something is an investment, you put it away and don't use it. Period.
If you got something to USE, then use it.
Sometimes, the thing you use, has equity. Great. I consider equity a "rental fee".
For example, I play music, got guitars and rack gear. If I buy new, I lose money right away.
If I buy used, I have some equity. If I destroy it or it burns out, I lose that equity.
That is rare, but short of that, you can also scratch, break and repair, etc that affects equity.
Equity is GOOD, but not a must. You get it to have fun. Have fun!
If something is an investment, you put it away and don't use it. Period.
If you got something to USE, then use it.
Sometimes, the thing you use, has equity. Great. I consider equity a "rental fee".
For example, I play music, got guitars and rack gear. If I buy new, I lose money right away.
If I buy used, I have some equity. If I destroy it or it burns out, I lose that equity.
That is rare, but short of that, you can also scratch, break and repair, etc that affects equity.
Equity is GOOD, but not a must. You get it to have fun. Have fun!
03-18-19, 11:19 AM
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It will NEVER break. It is a beautiful bicycle, the frame is exquisitely built, I used to sell these in my bike shop back then. I'd suggest riding and enjoying it - it is only a bike after all.
03-18-19, 11:46 AM
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Haha--I've tried and failed twice to build up a "usable" bike I could ride in the rain and not be so prissy about and just enjoy. Closest I ever got was buying a full suspended Specialized mountainbike: beat on it, put it away dirty in the garage(!), and give it a quick wipe-down maybe once or twice a year. The MTB taught me two things:
The things we own end up owning us.
As experience adds scratches and chips, it also adds memories and emotional attachment which only enhance the imperfections.
Example: I've owned this Masi Gran Criterium since 1988, and it's pretty much worthless on Ebay because of the vertical drop-outs. But it's priceless to me, because I've lived most of my adult life with it. It was my racer when I lived in Holland, and the reason it has a vertical dropout is because of the time I ate a guardrail on a downhill hairpin while on a training ride with the UCSB cycling team. My fellow riders were already supremely freaked out that I'd sustained a head injury, and looked even more concerned when I pointed to the white styrofoam balls falling out of my shattered helmet and said, "Check it out. It's snowing!"
The things we own end up owning us.
As experience adds scratches and chips, it also adds memories and emotional attachment which only enhance the imperfections.
Example: I've owned this Masi Gran Criterium since 1988, and it's pretty much worthless on Ebay because of the vertical drop-outs. But it's priceless to me, because I've lived most of my adult life with it. It was my racer when I lived in Holland, and the reason it has a vertical dropout is because of the time I ate a guardrail on a downhill hairpin while on a training ride with the UCSB cycling team. My fellow riders were already supremely freaked out that I'd sustained a head injury, and looked even more concerned when I pointed to the white styrofoam balls falling out of my shattered helmet and said, "Check it out. It's snowing!"
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03-18-19, 12:39 PM
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Fear Not
Bike are meant to be on the road. I still tour my like new Centurion Pro Tour 15. I'm 60YO and and take pride in riding my vintage rides especially when I get the "that is so cool" or "you are actually riding that." I still ride the bike I races in the early 80s on centuries just for the feeling of riding a pied of history. It's even better when the rider isn't as old as the bike.
03-18-19, 12:39 PM
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Ride it
No offense intended, but its just a bike. So, get it out there and put some miles on it. Get some payback for your efforts and enjoy!
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03-18-19, 01:12 PM
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Something that occurs to me, given OP's age of 23, he is in a quite enviable position, vintage bike-wise.
Most of us the posters who collect C&V bikes are currently close to 60, on average, with many of us substantially older. Sadly, we will be dying off in droves during the next couple of decades, but the good news will be the unprecedented numbers of top shelf collectible bikes that will be hitting the market, at a time when there's fewer and fewer buyers (since we will all dying off) and this at a time when younger people have little or no interest in vintage bikes. I think it's inevitable that the vintage bike market will become unbelievably saturated in the coming decades.
OP is in the right place at exactly the right time. If he stays a fan of C&V, he is gonna witness the selling off of collection after collection, and I predict that by the time he turns 40, Colangoes, Paramounts, Bottecchias, and every other respected make will be a dime a dozen, and asking prices will plummet to all time lows. He's gonna be swimming in an embarrassment of riches, in the not-too-distant future. The only downside is that most of us won't be around to see it.
Most of us the posters who collect C&V bikes are currently close to 60, on average, with many of us substantially older. Sadly, we will be dying off in droves during the next couple of decades, but the good news will be the unprecedented numbers of top shelf collectible bikes that will be hitting the market, at a time when there's fewer and fewer buyers (since we will all dying off) and this at a time when younger people have little or no interest in vintage bikes. I think it's inevitable that the vintage bike market will become unbelievably saturated in the coming decades.
OP is in the right place at exactly the right time. If he stays a fan of C&V, he is gonna witness the selling off of collection after collection, and I predict that by the time he turns 40, Colangoes, Paramounts, Bottecchias, and every other respected make will be a dime a dozen, and asking prices will plummet to all time lows. He's gonna be swimming in an embarrassment of riches, in the not-too-distant future. The only downside is that most of us won't be around to see it.
03-18-19, 01:15 PM
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Ride it and enjoy using it! When you're an old fart, like most of us, you can have it refurbished.
03-18-19, 01:23 PM
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Fear of crashes
Yep, I don’t ride my 1981 VINER Special Professional as often as I ‘should’ for fear of crashing this irreplaceable loved one. So... I found a 1989 TREK steak lugged entry level criterion bike which after adding Conti racing tires ( still less than $400 total invested) has almost as tight a feel as the VINER. it’s become my go to everyday road bike... rain, gravel, minor potholes... no worries!
03-18-19, 01:28 PM
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I have a bike that I bought with money I earned cutting grass one summer. That was in 1974. I still have that bike - really nice Batavis. I think you will learn that you will change much more than the bike will over time. I still ride the Batavis (in addition to my 2018 Trek). Those old bikes are really solid and provide a ride and feel that is much different, but just as pleasant, as a new bike.
03-18-19, 01:46 PM
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Yep, I don’t ride my 1981 VINER Special Professional as often as I ‘should’ for fear of crashing this irreplaceable loved one. So... I found a 1989 TREK steak lugged entry level criterion bike which after adding Conti racing tires ( still less than $400 total invested) has almost as tight a feel as the VINER. it’s become my go to everyday road bike... rain, gravel, minor potholes... no worries!
03-18-19, 02:03 PM
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ride the bike, it is what is was made to do, it's what the bike want's to do and it is what you want to do.
it is not like you are painting a mustache on the mona lisa........that would not be a good thing to do
it is not like you are painting a mustache on the mona lisa........that would not be a good thing to do
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03-18-19, 02:55 PM
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A bike well loved is a bike well used! There are many examples in this forum of some who have have had a 20-40 year relationship with their bike(s). Some are in original worn condition, some still look showroom new, some went through full restoration.
You only go around once and you can’t take it with you so enjoy your 1000 by riding it. I have a few collectible cars that I would find hard to replace, so I hang onto them and drive them too.
You only go around once and you can’t take it with you so enjoy your 1000 by riding it. I have a few collectible cars that I would find hard to replace, so I hang onto them and drive them too.
03-18-19, 03:48 PM
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A work of art
Your bike is an elegant simplicity work of art. It is beautiful. Does it have a name? My sears 10 speed that I road every morning for an hour was named Yukiinu (hense my user name). When I didn't ride it, I looked at the drop handle bars and they seemed to be kind of wagging like a faithful dog's tail saying "lets go for a ride". The bike was more than a bike, it was a friend. If your bike is a valued friend I would protect it from all of the kinds of harm and theft, that bikes are subject to on long cross country tours. I would only ride it around close to home. AND REMEMBER THAT THE TIME YOU THINK YOUR BIKE IS THE SAFEST AND LEAST LIKELY TO BE STOLEN, so you leave it unlocked just for a minute, IS WHEN IT WILL BE STOLEN.
03-18-19, 04:30 PM
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Enjoy the bike, Ride it! Anything you or someone else does to the bike can be fixed, and made to look new, and repairs untraceable, if you so wish. It’s not an old Ferrari, it’s just a bike. Please, I really like CV bikes, but it’s relative. As long as it looks good, and rides well, the value will be the same, as if you never rode it.
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03-18-19, 09:28 PM
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Thank you all again for the awesome feedback!
if I my plans for going on tour out West and in the Vancouver/Portland area, I'll be sure to give you guys a shout!
I am still building my Bianchi touring bike, so I'll leave the heavy stuff to that tank.
I'd like to repurpose the 1000 for Randoneuring or sport touring. Might switch to a 700c rimset. It seems the SunCr18 are a great choice among all of you based off the threats and posts that I've read.
Hopefully at some point in the future I can get some brevets down and one day compete in PBP with the Miyata. That would be a true end goal for a bike like that.
Wish and hope to get to know many of you personally. I would love to read your stories. So if any of you want to get in touch, feel free to shoot me an inbox!
if I my plans for going on tour out West and in the Vancouver/Portland area, I'll be sure to give you guys a shout!
I am still building my Bianchi touring bike, so I'll leave the heavy stuff to that tank.
I'd like to repurpose the 1000 for Randoneuring or sport touring. Might switch to a 700c rimset. It seems the SunCr18 are a great choice among all of you based off the threats and posts that I've read.
Hopefully at some point in the future I can get some brevets down and one day compete in PBP with the Miyata. That would be a true end goal for a bike like that.
Wish and hope to get to know many of you personally. I would love to read your stories. So if any of you want to get in touch, feel free to shoot me an inbox!
03-18-19, 10:12 PM
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I am now 77, been riding, restoring and replacing for 65 years, from my old Royal Enfield (repainted, blue) and just got a new Montague Fit folder (as in "fits in the trunk"), and even if you're just an old casual rider like me, ya got to ride, bunky, ride, yer not takin' that classic bike with ya to heaven!
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03-19-19, 12:06 AM
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Brevet PBP
I've done 9,000 miles of loaded cross country in America. Until now I hadn't known about Brevet and PBP. That sounds like the perfect thing that you and your Miyata can both work toward accomplishing. Enjoy be safe.
03-19-19, 08:10 AM
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Again, the OP mentioned that he feels like the bike is "fragile" and too delicate to ride- a little different... where a lot of us are more focusing on the bike as either significant or as an investment.
A while ago, I posted a thread about wanting a "grail" bike. Not just a bike you were sort of looking for for a few months... but something that was a real quest to acquire. After thinking about it- I thought of a Rene Herse tourer with all the unique Herse accoutrements- I think it would be so cool and beautiful and unique and special... But the more I thought about it- I would want to change it. I would want to put the shifters *I* wanted on there- I'd have to replace this and that... and it would lose a lot of that cool, unique Herse-ness. And even after I messed with it- I'd still be afraid to ride it- afraid of every scratch and ding- terrified to lock it up outside...
I'm kind of hoard-y, and I appreciate cool stuff, but I don't think I'm a "collector" like some people. A bike like an old Herse needs to go to a collector- one that shares that collection to the world.
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03-19-19, 09:06 AM
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Once you put that first scratch on it, it'll get easier!
But those frames really are stout, you can ride them hard. I have the same feeling sometimes, especially if it's a real pristine find. Then, (I know this sounds crazy) I think about it from the bikes point of view. It was built to be ridden, to get wet, to go on trips and see cool thing! How sad it most feel being locked away for the past 30 odd years! That makes me want to show it some sights, get it dirty, load a tent onto it! Get it outside into its natural habitat!
I also think about Harrison Ford in India Jones and Star Wars. The fedora, the melenium falcon, a good beat up leather jacket... Things of high quality inevitably get a little scratched and bumped and grungy along the way, that's what REALLY well made things end up like, because they were built so well they last for years and years. This state of "beautully broken in" only happens to the well made things, lesser quality items break and are tossed out long before they get promoted from, say, hiking boots to "pet status".
I think this is somehow connected to disposable consumerist society. We get used to things breaking and replacing them, to the point that honest wear and tear can be mistaken for neglect. Every bada$$ hero comes riding into town in a well patched and cared for cloak, think Strider from Lord of the Rings...
Your bike is heroic! Go ride that thing over some mountains and you can point to this scratch and say,
"Yeah, right here? That's when it blew over in a wind storm in the Mojave" and "This one? I slipped crossing a washed out road after the flood waters went down."
Then You stare into the horizon, sunglasses on Your face reflecting the dying embers of your cooking fire and quietly say "biking? Yeah... I've done some biking." Then secure those beat up panniers that have been patched so many times it's hard to tell what color they were when they were new, straddle the Miyata 1000 that's older than you are and has better stories to tell, if only it could speak, and ride of to parts unknown. Ready to battle for justice like Kwai Chang Caine in the Legend of Kung Fu.
Lastly, having a Grail like this means you now have the luxury of time. You can sit back and wait for deals like this to come along. https://humboldt.craigslist.org/bik/...838183227.html
But those frames really are stout, you can ride them hard. I have the same feeling sometimes, especially if it's a real pristine find. Then, (I know this sounds crazy) I think about it from the bikes point of view. It was built to be ridden, to get wet, to go on trips and see cool thing! How sad it most feel being locked away for the past 30 odd years! That makes me want to show it some sights, get it dirty, load a tent onto it! Get it outside into its natural habitat!
I also think about Harrison Ford in India Jones and Star Wars. The fedora, the melenium falcon, a good beat up leather jacket... Things of high quality inevitably get a little scratched and bumped and grungy along the way, that's what REALLY well made things end up like, because they were built so well they last for years and years. This state of "beautully broken in" only happens to the well made things, lesser quality items break and are tossed out long before they get promoted from, say, hiking boots to "pet status".
I think this is somehow connected to disposable consumerist society. We get used to things breaking and replacing them, to the point that honest wear and tear can be mistaken for neglect. Every bada$$ hero comes riding into town in a well patched and cared for cloak, think Strider from Lord of the Rings...
Your bike is heroic! Go ride that thing over some mountains and you can point to this scratch and say,
"Yeah, right here? That's when it blew over in a wind storm in the Mojave" and "This one? I slipped crossing a washed out road after the flood waters went down."
Then You stare into the horizon, sunglasses on Your face reflecting the dying embers of your cooking fire and quietly say "biking? Yeah... I've done some biking." Then secure those beat up panniers that have been patched so many times it's hard to tell what color they were when they were new, straddle the Miyata 1000 that's older than you are and has better stories to tell, if only it could speak, and ride of to parts unknown. Ready to battle for justice like Kwai Chang Caine in the Legend of Kung Fu.
Lastly, having a Grail like this means you now have the luxury of time. You can sit back and wait for deals like this to come along. https://humboldt.craigslist.org/bik/...838183227.html
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03-19-19, 09:13 AM
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Hey, I'm 21, and have the exact same bike (but with Univega decals). I bought the bike when I was a high school sophmore, and went through the exact same thing. It was (is?) the nicest bike I had and I put a lot of money into it buying a Brooks, VO parts, etc. When you're in HS, dropping even a few hundred on a bike means you're terrified of wrecking it. I rode it, but was insanely scared about using it like it should. Absolutely no wet weather riding, even though it had fenders. Everywhere I went, I rode carefully, picking my way through cracks in the road. I think what changed was reading about Jan Heine's off road adventures in the cascade mtns on priceless French constructeur bikes. If he was doing it on those bikes, I could do some wet gravel riding on my "lowly" Univega! And I did, and it was amazing. Just needed to get over that kind of mental block I guess. Of course, it's now been sitting for 3 years at my parents house awaiting a 700c conversion and other upgrades while i finish college. But someday! It will get ridden hard.
03-19-19, 10:22 AM
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I would love to get a 1938 Cord 812- coolest car in the universe... But I'd REALLY like a reproduction Cord 812 that I could build up and eff with, modernize it, make it more usable in todays world without ruining an original and depriving the future of one less Cord. In this case- it's a rare and historically significant car to begin with- it was rare at the time- moreso now.
Again, the OP mentioned that he feels like the bike is "fragile" and too delicate to ride- a little different... where a lot of us are more focusing on the bike as either significant or as an investment.
A while ago, I posted a thread about wanting a "grail" bike. Not just a bike you were sort of looking for for a few months... but something that was a real quest to acquire. After thinking about it- I thought of a Rene Herse tourer with all the unique Herse accoutrements- I think it would be so cool and beautiful and unique and special... But the more I thought about it- I would want to change it. I would want to put the shifters *I* wanted on there- I'd have to replace this and that... and it would lose a lot of that cool, unique Herse-ness. And even after I messed with it- I'd still be afraid to ride it- afraid of every scratch and ding- terrified to lock it up outside...
I'm kind of hoard-y, and I appreciate cool stuff, but I don't think I'm a "collector" like some people. A bike like an old Herse needs to go to a collector- one that shares that collection to the world.
Again, the OP mentioned that he feels like the bike is "fragile" and too delicate to ride- a little different... where a lot of us are more focusing on the bike as either significant or as an investment.
A while ago, I posted a thread about wanting a "grail" bike. Not just a bike you were sort of looking for for a few months... but something that was a real quest to acquire. After thinking about it- I thought of a Rene Herse tourer with all the unique Herse accoutrements- I think it would be so cool and beautiful and unique and special... But the more I thought about it- I would want to change it. I would want to put the shifters *I* wanted on there- I'd have to replace this and that... and it would lose a lot of that cool, unique Herse-ness. And even after I messed with it- I'd still be afraid to ride it- afraid of every scratch and ding- terrified to lock it up outside...
I'm kind of hoard-y, and I appreciate cool stuff, but I don't think I'm a "collector" like some people. A bike like an old Herse needs to go to a collector- one that shares that collection to the world.
Tim
03-19-19, 10:39 AM
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Thank you all again for the awesome feedback!
if I my plans for going on tour out West and in the Vancouver/Portland area, I'll be sure to give you guys a shout!
I am still building my Bianchi touring bike, so I'll leave the heavy stuff to that tank.
I'd like to repurpose the 1000 for Randoneuring or sport touring. Might switch to a 700c rimset. It seems the SunCr18 are a great choice among all of you based off the threats and posts that I've read.
Hopefully at some point in the future I can get some brevets down and one day compete in PBP with the Miyata. That would be a true end goal for a bike like that.
Wish and hope to get to know many of you personally. I would love to read your stories. So if any of you want to get in touch, feel free to shoot me an inbox!
if I my plans for going on tour out West and in the Vancouver/Portland area, I'll be sure to give you guys a shout!
I am still building my Bianchi touring bike, so I'll leave the heavy stuff to that tank.
I'd like to repurpose the 1000 for Randoneuring or sport touring. Might switch to a 700c rimset. It seems the SunCr18 are a great choice among all of you based off the threats and posts that I've read.
Hopefully at some point in the future I can get some brevets down and one day compete in PBP with the Miyata. That would be a true end goal for a bike like that.
Wish and hope to get to know many of you personally. I would love to read your stories. So if any of you want to get in touch, feel free to shoot me an inbox!
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Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
03-19-19, 12:42 PM
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Help me understand: if an older individual chooses to baby their vehicle of whatever make, of vintage status, as responsible and disciplined, but a younger person, such as myself, as silly and ridiculous?
Art is art. People have different ways of appreciating. I was just in a position to figure out if I wanted to look at it or experience it.
Everyone else has been providing great feedback to simply enjoy life. If asking a question and looking for guidance makes me silly and ridiculous, then I probably joined the wrong forum. But then again, you don't speak for everyone either.
I enjoy this forum and I will continue to use it, despite what "silly" and "ridiculous"questions I may ask or express.
It's about sharing knowledge and experience, not criticizing ridiculing.
Art is art. People have different ways of appreciating. I was just in a position to figure out if I wanted to look at it or experience it.
Everyone else has been providing great feedback to simply enjoy life. If asking a question and looking for guidance makes me silly and ridiculous, then I probably joined the wrong forum. But then again, you don't speak for everyone either.
I enjoy this forum and I will continue to use it, despite what "silly" and "ridiculous"questions I may ask or express.
It's about sharing knowledge and experience, not criticizing ridiculing.
Conversation starter either way.
Its good to get out and ride the bike- its the whole purpose of the bike. Others have mentioned this, but perhaps not so directly- it isnt a collectible, isnt an investment, and isnt irreplaceable. Its a very nice looking bike for sure, and has been well kept for these 3+ decades, but even that can be replicated with some new components and new paint.
Have fun with it and be proud to ride it since its what you like.