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27" wheeled canti touring bike: wheel size prevent you from buying?

Old 03-14-19, 08:57 AM
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27" wheeled canti touring bike: wheel size prevent you from buying?

Wondering how many of you would buy a nice vintage 27" wheeled tourer with cantis, would wheel size alone be a deal breaker? 27" tires are still available but sizes are limited(Panracer Paselas for example). Cantis most likely won't be able to accommodate 700 wheels, although I believe they will work in a very few instances. What are your thoughts?

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Wondering how many of you would buy a nice vintage 27" wheeled tourer with cantis, would wheel size alone be a deal breaker? 27" tires are still available but sizes are limited(Panracer Paselas for example). Cantis most likely won't be able to accommodate 700 wheels, although I believe they will work in a very few instances. What are your thoughts?
I think that most of the 80s era tourers with 27" will accommodate 700c wheels if you choose to use them. The canti posts were often located in an intermediated position, and if the bike has cantilevers with post type pads, there's a wide range of adjustability. If needed Dia Compe 988's are still sold. It does vary though, so don't count on it without checking.

By that time bikes were already living in a transitional world.

Nothing wrong with Paselas anyway. Much better than any clincher tires from the C&V days.
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A good wheel is a good wheel - right ? Don't get caught up in the "need" to update. If you're paranoid, have an extra set of tires on hand.
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No but bring an extra tire on tour, just in case...



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Just think out what you want to do with the bike.

The biggest issue with many (most?) vintage 27" cantilever brake bikes is the limitation on tire size. The front braze-ons were typically too close together vs the cantilever spec's, and were too short for most brake pads to open up past the fork blades. If you want to ride a wider tire, you have to deflate the wheel to take it on or off.
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Instead on cantilevers, you could always update to V-brakes , which use the same studs and typically have a wider pad height adjustment range. That should allow you to run 700C and provide better braking too. Win-win.
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I wouldn't blink an eye if I happened upon a nice vintage touring bike with 27" wheels. There are enough good tire options having adequate width including Paselas and Schwalbe for a more rugged tire. I currently have a Cannondale ST400, a Miyata 1000, and a Schwinn Voyageur still running with 27" wheels and I have no desire to swap them out.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Instead on cantilevers, you could always update to V-brakes , which use the same studs and typically have a wider pad height adjustment range. That should allow you to run 700C and provide better braking too. Win-win.
The posts tend to be narrower on vintage bikes than modern ones. I know that can be an issue with modern cantilevers (they sometimes don't work on vintage bikes) but I have never tried installing a v brake on a vintage bike.
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Basically, why stay home until you have the perfect bike .. ? ..




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I’m running the Panaracer Sand Canyon 35 mm tires (with fenders!) on my Miyata 1000 with 27” wheels. Nice comfy ride! I do have to deflate the rear tire to take the wheel off, but that’s certainly not a deal breaker. I kind of enjoy rolling along on the big wheels. The only drawback is that I have a tiny bit of toe overlap with my small (19 1/2”) frame.


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Toe overlap isn't such a bad thing. I have it on all of my bikes because I put my cleats way back on my shoes and I have clown feet.
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Cantis were developed in the 1930s if memory serves. I'd love to find a 1930s bike with cantis and 27" wheels!
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I was able to get some Mavic semi-aero 700’s on an old Nishiki Cresta GT. It was pretty close but I got them working pretty well. I am running 32’s without having to deflate to remove. I tried Vbrakes but I could only get one to line up properly. It has been years now but I think the issue with the Vbrake was in the front.
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Originally Posted by t-mar View Post
instead on cantilevers, you could always update to v-brakes , which use the same studs and typically have a wider pad height adjustment range. That should allow you to run 700c and provide better braking too. Win-win.
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27" tires didn't stop me:

It's nothing special, just exceptional.

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Cantis were developed in the 1930s if memory serves. I'd love to find a 1930s bike with cantis and 27" wheels!
I think it would have taken a Jack Taylor type to do that. When did canti's make it out of France?
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I would love a canti-braked tourer; a Peugeot Dordogne or Bretagne are right at the top of my "want it now" list. Tyre size really isn't an issue as there are plenty of choices out there. My BSA is on 27 inch wheels - not a problem at all, and I've recently reshod it with Contis.
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Came with 630 (27'') wheels.
Fits 622 x 40. Stock brakes adjusted fine.

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I think it would have taken a Jack Taylor type to do that. When did canti's make it out of France?
No idea! Maybe when someone road over to Italy?
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My Schwinn Voyageur has its original Araya 27" wheels in very good shape and true as I've ever seen since it had a good going through a year ago. I've got the Panaracer Pasela tires, but there are other tires available that fit, like Gatorskins. For this year I'll be doing a bunch of three or four day tours, and I am fully confident. I plan on a cross-Korea from Incheon to Busan tour in the next few years with the Voyageur, and also a continental US trip from Vancouver to Boston once the Great American Rail Trail is a bit more established and time / money allows. That along with a copycat trip of antman5000's trip down the West Coast. I'll carry spare tires and tubes. Based on others' experience, I may upgrade to the Panaracer PT since the regular wire bead tires seem prone to punctures or premature wall failure (not my experience thus far). I'm thinking of replacing the Jagwire pads with Kool-Stops for the canti brakes.
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. Cantis most likely won't be able to accommodate 700 wheels, although I believe they will work in a very few instances. What are your thoughts?

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Wrong premise imho. I’ve put 700c wheels on several vintage touring bikes without a problem. Yes there are some vintage tourers where that swap doesn’t work like the Raleigh Aleyeska (sp).
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Originally Posted by Honusms View Post
I’m running the Panaracer Sand Canyon 35 mm tires (with fenders!) on my Miyata 1000 with 27” wheels. Nice comfy ride! I do have to deflate the rear tire to take the wheel off, but that’s certainly not a deal breaker. I kind of enjoy rolling along on the big wheels. The only drawback is that I have a tiny bit of toe overlap with my small (19 1/2”) frame.


+1 on Sand Canyons I love mine on a 87 Cresta GT -sadly I crashed it recently and bent the fork but I would buy another 27 inch wheeled tourer, especially Japanese one in a heart beat

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Nope. I bought - and then passed along - a too-tall-for-me Miyata 1000, and already have a '84 Univega Gran Tourismo (pretty much equivalent to a Miyata 610). Both have 27" wheels and canti brakes. Two of my other three road bikes also roll on 27" wheels. So am I afraid of 27s? Nope. In fact, I only have one road bike with 700c, and I have 'wide' 28s on that one.
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Is the Univega Specialissma a quality Touring bike?

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I rebuilt a 1984 Univega Gran Turismo with 27" wheels. 700C wheels won't work at all, given the position of the canti posts.

The 27" wheels aren't a deal breaker. The tire selection is more limited, yes, but there's still good choices available.
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