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Old 03-16-19, 10:54 AM
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Mondia or Juvela with stamped dropouts

There's a re-painted bike i see parked near work every day that caught my attention cause it has Nervex Pro headlugs (with the "flanges") and a Vagner fork crown...and I loves a mystery! So I would glance at it (usually in hurry to get into work or grab quick lunch) so giving myself scant seconds to gather another clue and ponder...but a recent time I looked I caught the distinctive serial number stamped on a semi-wrap left-hand staycap and...mystery solved: that's a Mondia (well, could be a Juvela but splitting hairs).
Kind of a come-down cause I was hoping to draw the mystery out a little more (yeah, work can get boring) but then I saw something very unusual (to me, anyway): the dropouts were not a typical long-form Campy 1010 as expected, nor the thick stamped Campy Verticals you'd find if this was a Mondia/Juvela cyclocross frame, which I'd say it's not cause it's got no canti bosses.
What iit's got are stamped dropouts like you'd see on a cheepo bike-boom frame, horizontal and with one threaded hole for rack/fender mount, but...unusual, right?!
The rest of the package (Nervex Pro and Vagner) plus the careful craftsmanship sure doesn't make me think this is some "budget' model Mondia, and if they are replacement DO's ya gotta wonder who would opt for THAT instead of replacing with the (not hard to find) Campy 1010s this SHOULD have come with. To me everything points to a typical Mondia with 531DB full throughout, EXCEPT for those stamped dropouts.
So you Swiss experts: what gives?
Yes, I WILL take some pix next time I have a few minutes and as long as that doesn't get me in trouble with the owner...
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Old 03-16-19, 11:11 AM
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...I'm not a Swiss expert, but I have, over the years, had a couple of older bikes that were constructed from Reynolds or other high end tubing but with stamped dropouts on the rear. Apparently, the idea of using them on a well bulit frame was not always anathema. One I still have is a Gitane TdF. The other I can remember was some kind of Stella.
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Old 03-16-19, 11:16 AM
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Here's one on a Falcon frame that was made from 531 that I repainted .

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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
my falcon has stamped dropouts with a derailleur hanger and straight gauge 531
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While we typically see the high end examples, my understanding has always been that Mondia was a full range manufacturer. Consequently, stamped dropouts would not surprise me. The other possibility is that it pre-dates forged dropouts, as they do date back to the inter-war period.
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Circa 1960, Otto Cap used this trick ca. The top-of-the-line Sieger got full db 531 with stamped dropouts, with horseshoe-shaped braze-ons to give the appearance and thickness of forged dropouts. Midrange frames did not get the dropout overlays.
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I promised some pix, and it took a day for the bike to show up in the usual spot, but here re some shots including the Stamped Drop-outs but other notable features too, and if somebody can decipher the year based on that serial number...fire away.
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Also curious if anybody can ID that headset, which I assume is something French or possible cobbled from some bits that include FR threaded parts...? That stem looks to be a 3TTT or possibly Ambrosio, but did they make this RECORD model with a FR quill?
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Also curious if anybody can ID that headset, which I assume is something French or possible cobbled from some bits that include FR threaded parts...? That stem looks to be a 3TTT or possibly Ambrosio, but did they make this RECORD model with
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from a post in the CR list today:
"1973ish bike
SN174838.I believe mine to be nearly all original with the early Brooks Pro
saddle and..."
so 179XXX is later than 1973 assuming the Mondia owner with "174XXX" is correct about his.
Definitely in era for Campy 1010 dropouts so, would a 'budget model' just use cheaper dropouts and forkends but keep a Nervex Pro lugset? Guess I'll have to stalk the owner and ask about the seatpost size and other creepy questions
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