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Old 03-16-19, 10:32 PM
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Chrome or stainless mystery bike

Hello, just bought this a few days ago, finally got around to cleaning it up a bit. This was billed as a Crescent Mark XX in stainless. There are threads about this and this bike really resembles one of those. It also really looks like chrome. It has the same Nervex lugs and the strange patina on them that would indicate that they were once bronze painted. It does not have the rough brazing look that others had. It also does not have brazed BB cable guides. Campagnolo dropouts. Holes in the head tube would seem to match the Crescent badges I've seen. The front wheel will definitely hit your toes in a tight turn like the other Crescents.
The components and the drillium are marvelous. The seller said the other drilled brake lever was shattered in a crash. The BB appears to be a Phil Wood like the hubs. I always wanted to see what the Huret Jubilee would be like, all the reports said shifting was terrible but it was on all of the super light bikes back then. The shift levers are Dura Ace, making for an odd mix. The bike seems like such an exercise in 'weight weenie'-ism in some areas. The seatpost is a one off handmade thing. The pedals are German LLC (thanks to the forum members for id). The gold anodizing everywhere is something else.






I did change out the seat, what it had was horrid. I'm quite excited about this find!
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Old 03-17-19, 12:06 AM
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Very nice find. Great bike!
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Can't help you with what it is, but that home-spun, period drillium and close-coupled Record triple are worth the price of admission alone. Fantastic!

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Old 03-17-19, 05:27 AM
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Check it with a magnet- most common stainless steel varieties are (nearly) non-magnetic.
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Old 03-17-19, 06:43 AM
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I bet it was chromed under the paint. Lots of drillium but the FB is missing a nut.
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Whoa even the hoods are drilled. Neat piece.
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Very nice! That crankset is a beauty. I have the Jubilees on a couple of bikes, they shift nicely for me - no worse than Campy NR anyway, which may not be saying much.
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Originally Posted by Bikerider007 View Post
Whoa even the hoods are drilled. Neat piece.
Originally Posted by cheffyjay View Post
The components and the drillium are marvelous. The seller said the other drilled brake lever was shattered in a crash.
Not the "hoods"

It appears to be perhaps Weinmann brake lever bodies without hoods.
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Not the "hoods"

It appears to be perhaps Weinmann brake lever bodies without hoods.
looking again yep, they look so thick. Cool piece still.
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Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
Check it with a magnet- most common stainless steel varieties are (nearly) non-magnetic.
It is magnetic. I've always loved the chrome paramounts and such but was excited about the stainless! I am delighted with either.
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Paramount. Headbadge holes are in the right place for a paramount, but I don't remember where Crescent headbadges were attached. You can tell it's steel from the way the chrome is peeling from the lugs

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That's going to be a stunner when you get 'er cleaned up!

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Great bike! It is steel. Someone put a huge amount of time into all that drilling.
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Paramount. Headbadge holes are in the right place for a paramount, but I don't remember where Crescent headbadges were attached. You can tell it's steel from the way the chrome is peeling from the lugs
The seat stay caps and some other details suggested Paramount to me as well, until I saw the bottom bracket shell.
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with the overall condition of the bike as found, I would have expected more pitting if it was chrome. Awfully shiny for stainless.
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Zero braze-ons and long Campagnolo dropouts without the spring retention hole or fender eyelets suggests mid-1970s. If it's a Paramount from this era, it should have a recognizable format serial number on the non-drive side rear dropout.
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I wonder if the shell slots were done in production (are the edges chrome-plated?) or done after-market in the same ecstasy of lightening that led to drillium of things like the brake bodies that should have been left alone (IMO)...looks like a fair bit of misguided mods have been made (I know: fashions and thinking were different back BITD!). I doubt there were many (or ANY) frame builders that would have made a chrome-plated Nervex Pro lugged frame that would pierce that shell with huge, sharp-cornered slots like this has...
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^ Agreed, I thought the shell cut outs were DIY. They're not straight, there are jagged edges from the saw cuts and it looks like small corner holes were drilled first. I thought the edges of the openings looked corroded, indicating a post plating operation, but wasn't positive.
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The seatstay cap diameter and look also look about right - fork also has the revised Paramount P13 geometry on it as one would expect.

Nervex lugs and a Prugnat BB shell is a bit of a giveaway, and given that the previous owner didn't seem to be shy with cutting tools, a home-spun cutout job isn't out of the question.

Any pics of the left side dropout for the S/N?

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^ Agreed, I thought the shell cut outs were DIY. They're not straight, there are jagged edges from the saw cuts and it looks like small corner holes were drilled first. I thought the edges of the openings looked corroded, indicating a post plating operation, but wasn't positive.
I didn't look at the photo that closely, but that certainly is a possibility; it does look like a Paramount frame in many of the details and chrome Paramounts weren't that uncommon. A photo of the non-driveside rear dropout would answer the mystery.
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Originally Posted by Bikerider007 View Post
Whoa even the hoods are drilled. Neat piece.
yes nice piece for sure!
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Zero braze-ons and long Campagnolo dropouts without the spring retention hole or fender eyelets suggests mid-1970s. If it's a Paramount from this era, it should have a recognizable format serial number on the non-drive side rear dropout.
it sure does. B73105
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Originally Posted by cheffyjay View Post
it sure does. B73105
It looks like you have a 1973 Paramount P13-9, the 105th frame made in February. Nice find.
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Thank you all. That serial number leads to the miraculous internet which seems to indicate that this is a Schwinn Paramount built in February of 1973. This is particularly exciting for me as my old neighbor was an Olympic Speed Skater on the 1972 U.S. Olympic team and he had a chrome Paramount like this, that was given to him for participating at the Games. I always thought that it was one of the coolest bikes I'd ever seen. I certainly didn't earn this the way he did but it is an amazing find for me. You don't want to know how much i paid for it. Like Christmas Morning!
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