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Old 03-16-19, 10:53 PM
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Crank surprise

I picked up a Browning Grade V this winter, thinking it would be a fun spring overhaul. I gave it a quick once over when I bought it as it was during a snowstorm and it looked stock except for the bars and stem, so for $50 it got tossed in the van. The only sticking point was the crankset, a '70's Stronglight (TA Cyclotouriste style) for which I didn't have the necessary removal tool. I've been watching a couple on ebay, but as they cost almost as much the bike, I held off.

Digging through the garage on a warmer day last week, I took a look at that Browning. It's a Nervar, standard size, no new tool needed. Lucky that my hurried evaluation was wrong. The wrenching can begin on my first Belgian bike!
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Old 03-16-19, 11:16 PM
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Ha! My eyes caught the words Browning Grade V and stock and thought I had accidentally clicked on the ShotgunWorld forums!

Have fun with the overhaul!
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Old 03-17-19, 11:27 AM
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"I'll have the crank surprise please."

"We're all out of that, sir."

"Then I'll have the bottom bracket surprise."

"You want that prepared swiss or french?"

"Uhh ... either is fine. Just not fried."

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Old 03-17-19, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
Ha! My eyes caught the words Browning Grade V and stock and thought I had accidentally clicked on the ShotgunWorld forums!

Have fun with the overhaul!
Same, and when I got to Belgian, I thought again, wait -- is this about a Superposed or a bike? There are companies that made both: Iver Johnson Gun & Cycle works comes to mind.
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Ha! My eyes caught the words Browning Grade V and stock and thought I had accidentally clicked on the ShotgunWorld forums!
My first thought too! Love my 425 even if it is only Grade I
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When you are able to post images will look forward to the observations of our low countries experts such as @Munny & @non-fixie.

One strong candidate for the title of perpetrator is Flandria as they did a good deal of contract work.

Enjoy that Peyrard Nr. 1004!

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Old 03-17-19, 04:50 PM
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2nd on pictures. Curious to see one.
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I've had several Nervar 50.4 bcd cranks. I think of them as the poor man's Stronglight or TA. Not as high polish, but the price is usually right (and the use of a standard puller is a definite benefit).
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So were these made by FN, who had made bikes in their past, or some other Belgian mfg and Browning badged?
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
Ha! My eyes caught the words Browning Grade V and stock and thought I had accidentally clicked on the ShotgunWorld forums!

Have fun with the overhaul!
Thanks!
Originally Posted by juvela View Post
When you are able to post images will look forward to the observations of our low countries experts such as @Munny & @non-fixie.

One strong candidate for the title of perpetrator is Flandria as they did a good deal of contract work.

Enjoy that Peyrard Nr. 1004!
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So were these made by FN, who had made bikes in their past, or some other Belgian mfg and Browning badged?
Everything I've found so far points to Flandria, but perhaps someone has a bit more background information - it's hard to find. Pinging the tubing leads me to think it's double butted.
I'll get some "before" pictures up this week - I often get things in the rack and forget to before tearing them down.
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I thought the Brownings were made by Libertas. The painted silver "chrome" fork and stays was a common Libertas treatment and also found on Brownings.
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I thought the Brownings were made by Libertas. The painted silver "chrome" fork and stays was a common Libertas treatment and also found on Brownings.
Stays and forks on this one are chrome plated. Smooth unadorned lugs, but neither of those things eliminate Libertas as the contractor. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
"I'll have the crank surprise please."

"We're all out of that, sir."

"Then I'll have the bottom bracket surprise."

"You want that prepared swiss or french?"

"Uhh ... either is fine. Just not fried."

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Old 03-18-19, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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When you are able to post images will look forward to the observations of our low countries experts such as @Munny & @non-fixie.

One strong candidate for the title of perpetrator is Flandria as they did a good deal of contract work.

Enjoy that Peyrard Nr. 1004!

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Very sorry but I've never heard of this brand of bicycle.
At least not here in Belgium.

From the search I just done, there is a "made in belgium" on the bike?
Given that it is not a protected naming, it would look to me as a way the give a perception of quality to not quite so...
Since then, if effectively made here, it could well be a flandria or a libertas after all

Hoping to be wrong
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The headbadge has "Made in Belgium" on this model, while the Grade 1 and 3 models have a headbadge showing "Made in Japan". It's buried too deep to get it out in better light, but the dropouts are forged Shimano, who I believe had a relationship with Flandria at that time. Weinmann center pull brakes. Sadly, while moving it around I noticed two small holes drilled in the top tube on the non-drive side. Apparently a failed attempt to route the rear brake cable instead of the original clips which are long gone.

Even though a quick look at the drive side on a lousy day left out a few details I would have normally noticed, it still looks to be an interesting overhaul. Hard to get much more fun for $50!
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"Made in Belgium" kinda points to Belgium as the country of origin. As do the Shimano dropouts, which were used by various Belgian manufacturers, I believe.

Pictures would be very helpful.
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a 70mm BSC shell is confirmational of Flandria parentage

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